When i first did an extraction, i ordered powdered root bark. The very first try it went all good. The naphtha came up BROWN every other time after that with powdered. I was PISSED. From then on, i have been ordering ONLY whole bark and not powdered and have not had the problem since. I am using this way of extraction-- http://www.growery.org/f...owflat.php/Number/340052

I noticed that powdered is more potent, so i need to know why i kept getting brown naphtha with powdered, but not whole?

I always use powdered bark, but I'd use way more water than that. For a 50g extraction I use 800ml of water.

Sorry, you got the STB Mystery Red junk.

An A/B is the best and pretty much only way to clean this us. We are not sure what it is, and why it only happens with STB using powdered bark, but it's happened to a lot of us.

BTW: it still yields spice, and still has the effects of normal spice, but it's tainted red.

Whenever i pull the brown or red naphtha, it precipitates reddish brown gunk instead of crystals. You may find some crystals inside of the red gunk, but its mostly gunk.

I thought that was limited to a specific batch of Pedro's (adenium.br) mimosa which was overdried?

I dare hypothesize that some pre powdered bark could possibly contains adulterants of a similar color to powdered MHRB?
Then again i would never dare suggest such a thing would occur. Merely hypothesis.

So this is common then? I had a problem with some spice I got from an A/B (theres a post about somewhere around here) and had no color problems after re-xing, but there was deffaintely some strange contaminant that added a very sinister aspect to the experience and hurt my lungs when smoked.

I actually did a STB for the first time recently. I just now (literally like 45 mins ago) seperated and my NP layer is orange. Dark orange. I assumed it was from the finely powdered bark too, but I just filtered the naptha (3 coffee filters in a funnel with the neck plugged with cotton) and still orange. I have been sitting here trying like hell to think up a way to fix it. I was just about to do a sodium carb wash on it. I sat down to take a break first and got on here and saw this post....what a coincidence.

So no one knows why this happens? My bark was on par with micronized plant matter that I have recieved in the past, thats how good this stuff is powdered, this is not the problem? Will a polar wash do any good? Re-x? A/B is the only way to clean it you say? I assume you mean convert DMT to salt then back to base and pull again, correct?

Just noticed someone mentions something about a batch of pedros MHRB, can anyone confirm this? Thought crossed my mind it might be something like this, I never had this problem before. Anyone know how long ago this "bad batch" started apearing? Perhaps around September?

Has anyone had bad experiences smoking this product? As I said, burnng lungs, horribly sinister undertones, just all around different feel to it?

Thanks guys,



T.

I'm not sure I'd call it a "bad batch" as A/B performed on the same material produced perfectly normal DMT xtals.

Mimosa bark is also used as a red dye.

We are not 100% sure what is happening.

I've heard everything from micro-particles to poorly identified mimosa.

Both my friend and I have smoked this red stuff. The smoke is harsher than normal DMT but neither of us noticed anything unusualy about the experience.

People drink mimosa all the time, so I doubt this red stuff is dangerous, but my friend swore off STB's because of this incident.

I put my naptha in the freezer, figuring screw the wash and that I would just go through with the A/B. I just checked it after it has been in there for maybe a half hour and noticed something odd, the brown seems to be falling out of the naptha along with the goods. The naptha (which is now very cloudy with precip) has swirls of brownish red going through it, my money is on some kind of tiny ass particle, tannins maybe? I was thinking that maybe they would settle to the bottom if I stuck the jar in the fridge over night, then I could just decant off the good stuff.

Am I the only person who has had these results from an A/B ex as well as STB? In any event, I am sure it is nothing dangerous, just something that clearly does not agree with me personally, and hell, I like my spice snow white.


Btw, I wouldn't call it a bad batch either, the stuff is incredibly potent and the price can not be beat. I did not mean to deter anyone from using said source, even if that is the problem it certainly will not stop me from using him in the future.

Hope this finds you all well.

I may have found a solution in case anyone is interested.....


I did an A/B on half of my brown DMT powder (dark brown with tan specks) that was left from the freeze precip I did. The A/B worked EXTREMELY well on the 500mgs or so that I tried it on. I got back almost 100 percent that I put in...so little to no lost in yield. The resulting spice was some of the cleanist I have ever seen...more clear than white. Thanks for that tip Acolon!

Side note: It is really cool to see an A/B extraction starting from DMT instead of plant matter, you can see all the things that are usually blurred by thee color of the soup, like the DMT crashing out when it is basified, how much is left after the first naptha pull, how much more effective hot naptha is instead of cold, etc. If you are like me and are just as fascinated by the removal of the compound as you are by the experience that the compound provides, do try this sometime.

But that is not the solution. A seperate A/B is a bit more work than most would prefer. I found this next part out by accident...

I was cleaning my pyrex evap plates with 70 percent iso alc. (would rather not waste precious solvents on clean up), and I noticed something odd. I poured some iso into the plate where the drying of the original freeze precip (dirty brown/red spice) took place, which still had quite a bit of brown spice stuck to the sides, and noticed that, while the DMT residue was being solvated, the brown particles were not. I added more iso, thinking I had not added enough to dissolve it all, but could not get it to go into solution. So, naturally I filtered and evaporated and lo and behold, what should have been 50-100mgs of dirty red/brown powder, was 50mgs shimmering white goodness.

If I cleaned this plate with naptha, it would have turned the naptha orange again (I know because I have tried) but the contaminant does not seem to be soluable in isopropyl. I have half of my brown batch left and will try to repeat these results with 99 percent iso tomorrow. Maybe acetone will do the trick.

Will post results...

Acetone works far better. If I could only figure out how to upload some pictures.....

So could one just use acetone as the solvent instead of naphtha for STB of powdered bark?

Nevermind, acetone is miscible.

Would performing a sodium carbonate wash on the solvent work? What are some good A/B extractions to use for a first-time extracter (ever, at all, with anything), in case this problem occurs?

A few sodium carbonate washes works fine on the brown naphtha...yes...with a rexstalize on the final product if it needs it...i wouldnt know about any a/b teks because im not experienced with that yet. But i order only whole bark now because of that...there should be a bunch of a/b teks on this site....You get clear naphtha everytime with whole bark. Just break it up with your hands as much as you can.