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#1 Posted : 1/9/2010 6:54:33 PM

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No, not really. Swim still enjoys it. But there is something that makes him long for other substances. He finds Salvia to be very dark, weird, disturbing...but there is something refreshingly different to it. It's amazing how psychedelics can be like food. You need diversity to make sure you won't overeat.
 

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#2 Posted : 1/9/2010 7:01:54 PM

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For me DMT/Pharmahuasca and Mescaline/Cacti is enough to last me a life time of learning. DMT especially just seems so different everytime. I had my first successful THH pharmahuasca yesterday and was completely blown away in a very gentle way. I try not to use these things too much though. More when needed than wanted.
 
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#3 Posted : 1/9/2010 8:11:45 PM

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It must have sounded like SWIM was some kind of psychedelica junkie but that's certainly not the case. He would be one of the least experienced nexus members, that's for sure. Maybe it's just that different plants call at different times.

He would say that it's not the same everytime, but there are recourring themes and he doesn't seem to make any progress. Maybe that'S part of the reason too.

...and...salvia got this totally different dream like aesthetic too it. If it just wouldn't be so damn dark and scary. Maybe he just needs to do it again.

EDIT:

NOW it FEEL so ...BLASPHEMIC TO EVEN THINK OF THIS THREAD.
 
#4 Posted : 1/9/2010 9:42:07 PM
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obliguhl wrote:
It must have sounded like SWIM was some kind of psychedelica junkie but that's certainly not the case. He would be one of the least experienced nexus members, that's for sure. Maybe it's just that different plants call at different times.

He would say that it's not the same everytime, but there are recourring themes and he doesn't seem to make any progress. Maybe that'S part of the reason too.

...and...salvia got this totally different dream like aesthetic too it. If it just wouldn't be so damn dark and scary. Maybe he just needs to do it again.

EDIT:

NOW it FEEL so ...BLASPHEMIC TO EVEN THINK OF THIS THREAD.



Salvia extract is very odd, but can be surprisingly funny..sort of comical in a sense. But yes it can be very bizzare at times.
 
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#5 Posted : 1/9/2010 11:22:24 PM

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salvia is amazing...I plan on returning to that one eventaully...nothing else requires so much courage as a full on salvia breakthrough though...but alot can come from those breakthroughs as well...personally I dont think that most people have reached that full on breakthrough..I hear lots about twisting and pulling..to me that says you need to take more and pass that stage..but its damn scary to really just go all out and do it..that woman shes a tricky one..always pulling the wild card on my ass to get me to "see"..but I get the feeling she likes me...sometimes alot.

I want to try some more quidding as well..

mescaline..meh..I dunno..its nice and I like like it but something about it seems to always keep the meetings few and far between..maybe I need to take more in the dark and really go..I think I end up exploring mescaline more at a later time..for what I get from low doses of mescaline I think I prefer a caapi only brew..

Ayahuasca is where it starting to be at for me though...something about ayahuasca..

I feel like right now I am sort of apprenticing myself to both vilca and ayahusaca..and jurema..Lots of ayahusca will drunk over the next year..and I want to return once again the mushroom as well..

I plan on taking these things very often over the next little while..this is like my life now...I am married ot these things.

Iboga will come eventaully...
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#6 Posted : 1/10/2010 12:12:22 AM

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Obliguhl, SWIM got pretty bored of smoked DMT after a dozen or so trips with it. If he wants a short DMT-like trip he normally uses bufotenine now instead. Smoked DMT is just not interesting enough. It’s too chaotic and short lived to really hold his attention. Bufotenine has just the right duration of effects and doesn’t blow your mind like DMT does.

5-MeO-DMT taken sublingually is also very fascinating. SWIM uses the fumarate of it extracted from chaliponga, or more recently just raw Virola theiodora resin as is. It’s very different from DMT or bufotenine. It’s almost like a mix of LSD and mescaline without the visual effects.

Sublingually, 5-MeO-DMT takes about 10 minutes to peak, and lasts about 90 minutes. It’s more laid back then smoking DMT is. SWIM definitely prefers sublingual 5-MeO-DMT over smoked DMT.

Recently though, SWIM has been using a lot of low doses of mescaline.

SWIM’s three favorites for now are bufotenine, 5-MeO-DMT, or mescaline. Sometimes he also likes oral DMT with THH or plain sublingual DMT (as Virola calophylla resin with lime), but he pretty much never smokes it these days.
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#7 Posted : 1/10/2010 12:32:14 AM

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When I take mescaline I always feel real good after and want to do it again..but something stops me..and I dont touch it again for like months..hard to go to sleep that night as well for me..

I think the thing is that when I take enough to really trip..it lasts so long and leaves me feeling spaced out for the next 2 days and loose sleep that first night so I end up real tired..takes alot out of me..

Does your swim find it hard to sleep after mescaline ron?
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#8 Posted : 1/10/2010 12:33:09 AM

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its normal to have phases, take breaks and be interested in other psychedelics too.... But to grow tired or bored, jeez, I dont think you and I are smoking the same stuff hahaha
 
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#9 Posted : 1/10/2010 12:59:29 AM

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fractal enchantment wrote:
Does your swim find it hard to sleep after mescaline ron?


He normally takes mescaline in the morning with coffee, at around 7 am or so. If the dose is really high and the peak is too close to bedtime then maybe he might have a little trouble sleeping. I know the stimulant effects of mescaline are a bit much for some people. You can easily take that stimulant edge off of mescaline with 5 or so Datura inoxia seeds if you have a hard time sleeping. Mescaline’s stimulant effects are easily muted with most mild sedatives, so if sleeping is an issue, he’ll just take a few Datura inoxia seeds. They are cheap and very effective for that purpose.

Note that I specifically said Datura INOXIA and not Datura stramonium. A few Datura stramonium seeds will have the opposite effect, making the mescaline more stimulating, making it hard to sleep. SWIM uses Datura stramonium when he wants a booster, and uses Datura inoxia when he wants to sleep. Either way, no more than 10 seeds. Anything more than 10 seeds is not safe.

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its normal to have phases, take breaks and be interested in other psychedelics too.... But to grow tired or bored, jeez, I dont think you and I are smoking the same stuff hahaha


No, it’s the same. Smoked DMT bores SWIM because it’s like a special effects movie with no story. It's fun the first few times, but after a while you crave a good movie with a story.
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#10 Posted : 1/10/2010 1:02:36 AM

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yeah ron I take it early in the am as well..otherwise I cant sleep..would be nice to take at night in light doses to go out and see people but I cant do it...caapi tea gives me really nice empathic feelings though that only last a few hours..

Will need to try inoxia one day
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it was a joke Pleased

I understand where you're coming from, I just dont agree... While oral dmt or other psychedelics are great, vaporized dmt still has its place guaranteed (and if its mixed done with mushrooms too, then specially so Very happy )
 
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#12 Posted : 1/10/2010 1:10:55 AM

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I also think that I prefer smoking a full spectrum mimosa extraction after caapi tea than just smoking DMT.
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yeah full spectrum from limo stuff is great indeed, and harmalas do help getting a lot out of the experience Smile
 
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#14 Posted : 1/19/2010 5:44:57 PM

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I hear you guys about smoked DMT , I was stuck in the same place watching the same show over and over , just about quit . Then I tried a combo of very strong sativa mj . So strong I was getting visuals just from the mj . I followed this up with dmt about half an hour later , everything was totally different ! Everything , the usual dmt fractals became just a passing doorway into a new dimension of revelation I have never ventured into previously . The dmt influence must have lasted for half an hour , or so it seemed. I didn't check my watch like I usually do so I am not sure .I continued to have wave after wave of really deep insights for hrs . Now I am hyped and find this combo to be amazing I will be venturing further for sure .

Don't give up , just mix things around a bit until you find a combo that works like fractal e mentions.
 
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#15 Posted : 1/19/2010 5:58:52 PM

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I just noticed how beautiful fractal enchantments nickname sounds...

...and props to you deweeb for not giving up. Swim will try the VG cooling device soon...he can't wait. I think he just forgot his previous spice experiences and didn't think about it's beauty.
 
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#16 Posted : 1/19/2010 7:37:55 PM

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What a great thread! SWIM hadn't seen it before and feels these belong here:

amor_fati wrote:
fractal enchantment wrote:
when I just shoot for a big breakthrough right away I always get this overpowering sort of freeky experience that I dont enjoy...like I cantmake sense of it..I dont do that anymore..


SWIM knows exactly what you mean. SWIM notices this when he gets a decent dose before potentiators kick in and after they wear off. He also notices it with pure spice on the first hit, though follow-up hits seems to help eliminate this and take it to a more transcendent level. Full spectrum spice on its own will do the same thing, but follow-up hits are a lot closer to harmaloid potentiated spice. In any case, preparation with a warm-up hit or potentiators seems to make the experience much more pleasant and...well...useful.


amor_fati wrote:
SWIM also feels feels that multiple controlled tokes in somewhat rapid succession give a more cohesive experience. That's how he started out, and it was pleasant enough that he never tired of journeying. When started doing it in a bong with a copper mesh bowl, the experience could get pretty strange, and that's when he took up harmaloid potentiation while smoking. But now he's reaching a level of control over how he tokes and a greater understanding as to what sort of practice produces what sort of experience, and though he's still prefers harmaloids, he's been going without for a couple weeks with full-range spice and has been thoroughly enjoying it. The spice in, any form, remains his fondest vehicle.


The spice started out as SWIM's greatest teacher, but then he started to learn how to use it to actually achieve his own ends (organizing thoughts, creative inspiration, invigoration). He's referred to it as a vehicle, which he means in the futurist/transhumanist sense--though possibly also the Buddhist sense--but perhaps a better and more general description would be 'symbiote'. As a most primordial component of human life (likely, though perhaps not yet proven) and culture (in itself or its analogues) it almost has its own inadvertent, insentient agenda in the way that its effects are expressed through its "host." Yet, the host may do with it as he/she pleases, though never completely free of its inherent tone.

The spice got SWIM into some of his most favored of substances--psilocybes, harmaloids, and mescaline--with which he could easily go the rest of his life little more than those four. He absolutely loves LSD, but it's rarely ever available to him, where he is, and so he treats it like a fine desert, whereas the previously mentioned substances cycle in an out of his common diet.
 
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#17 Posted : 2/6/2010 12:39:39 PM

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SWIM also feels the necessity to variate, usually. Can't take the same psychedelic too long. Also, I think is a climatic problem.
Now, after a good DMT period, he really feels like needing some mushrooms. Maybe 'cause the hot will start to come again in few weeks, and he wants to trip walking in the trees, or whatever: is like food, you're right. I feel a very deep mushroom hungry.

I guess I'll then turn back to DMT, or 5-MeO (my favorite substance, still).

Also, want to try bufotenine in this period...


really nice to change, learning more.
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#18 Posted : 2/12/2010 6:19:12 PM
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69ron wrote:
Obliguhl, SWIM got pretty bored of smoked DMT after a dozen or so trips with it. If he wants a short DMT-like trip he normally uses bufotenine now instead. Smoked DMT is just not interesting enough. It’s too chaotic and short lived to really hold his attention. Bufotenine has just the right duration of effects and doesn’t blow your mind like DMT does.



I'm curious, have you ever smoked dmt on bufotenine? Hehe i'm sure it's anything but boring then Smile
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#19 Posted : 2/19/2010 12:25:14 AM

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For quite some time now i have the feeling to try something different from mushrooms. This is why i got interested in cactus. This interest has always been there, started about the same time i got into mushrooms many years ago, but it is only since last year that i am planning. Soon there will be a full dose of mescaline.. And some cuttings to grow as an experiment, under LED lights Smile

Salvia extract is still here some of it. Couldnt break through... Even the 20x got me nowhere. Just needles everywhere. and a little boring buzz. Maybe later then. DMT is also getting closer..

First things first i guess.
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DMT n-oxide for nice OEV especially in a beautiful nature setting. That shit is way beyond Pandora Smile
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