Jees wrote:I think you have become deeply acquainted to rue, this sets you apart from us non-vikings who are just playing with it. To be honest intuitively I feel pretty okay with just 1 gr a day (good for 100mg total harmalas estimated) and with a 10 hours gap sometimes a second 1 gr optional. I feel it working on me and I'm not driven really to up dosage, feels like pretty okay just like that.
I don't really know what to expect by upping dose steadily over time. What's the extra gain to go that route please? Building up reverse tolerance + upping dose comes across as a double effect.
Where/why does a person finally draws a line? How do you determine your dosing limit ShamensStamen?
Indeed i have become deeply acquainted with the Rue, i work with the Rue a lot, i'm quite experimental, and driven/dedicated, i just wish more people more fully explored what the Rue has to offer, it's quite the plant.
People are free of course to take the dosages they wish to take, my thing though is that most people don't really work with it enough to dive into the heavier Harmala territory, and so automatically they assume it's not as useful or doesn't provide nearly the same benefits as Caapi or is somehow inferior to Caapi, but imo that has more to do with their lack of experimentation rather than it being solely due to the Rue.
I understand that Rue can be quite rough, trust me, i know lol, i've been through a lot with the Rue, but lately i've come to understand that roasting the whole seeds prior to grinding, and most likely having Limonene in the mix, allows for a much more comfortable ride with the Rue, even ingesting the actual seed powder (though roasted), there's been absolutely no nausea or vomiting, very manageable body load, been able to let the Harmala dosage get stronger and stronger and not feel the need to back down on the dosage, and it provides quite the medicinal benefits ime.
By building up the reverse tolerance, the side-effects generally disappear, and while the Harmala content gets stronger, the reverse tolerance allows you to better handle higher/heavier Rue dosages without all the discomfort, therefore allowing you to experience the deeper levels of Rue that most people don't usually get to experience, which can take you to similar places as Caapi does. Like for example, with DMT in the mix, the higher the Rue/Harmala dosage, the more different the experience becomes, even to the point of it feeling way more Aya-like and like a completely different substance compared to using low to moderate dosages of Rue and DMT, also allows you to use just enough DMT to make a hell of a difference since the main medicine then becomes the Rue/Harmalas with the DMT being the light to illuminate the Harmala's aspects.
As for where to draw the line, just depends, there really is no line to draw when you dose like this, i guess you just keep going until you feel like there's nothing else to unfold in terms of the Rue/Harmala dosage, where it seems like overkill or unnecessary. What i used to do was take the same dosage, so like 4 to 4.5 grams, let the reverse tolerance build up and the Harmala content/effects get stronger and stronger, and then when things got too strong i'd back the dosage down a bit, keep taking that dosage until it got too strong, back the dosage down again and continue on, and just lowering the dosage bit by bit here and there until i eventually got to like 2 to 2.5 grams for a heavy Harmala dosage. Another thing one can try out is a CYP2D6 inhibitor if you can find one, which will potentiate the Harmala content in Rue without the need to take higher dosages of the Rue.
But yeah, if you happen to have any Limonene laying around, or can get some, i highly recommend trying out 10 drops of Limonene in a capsule, either before bed, or like an hour or two before the Rue, or just otherwise experiment with the Limonene and Rue, and see what you think about it. I'm pretty sure that Limonene is the active in Lemon EO that people used to talk about in terms of counteracting the nausea and vomiting with Psychedelics, and it seems to work for the Rue/Harmalas as well, much better than Ginger or Peppermint or Zofran. I really hope others will experiment around with the Limonene so we can say for sure. It may work from the get go, or it may take a couple or so weeks to build up in the body to become truly effective, idk yet, but it does indeed seem to work, and it works very well, ime. Limonene is also quite good for dealing with heartburn/acid reflux/gerd.