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zdank
#1 Posted : 3/27/2020 1:00:34 PM

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My ex girlfriend wrote this in spanish after her first ayahuasca experience.
I will try to add some of my own in a while. This was also translated using google translate so please bare in mind if some things don't make sense. I will also post the original in spanish.
Also this is the only place I can post for now since I'm a new member. Sorry if this doesn't go here. Anyways, enjoy Smile

Place: Cali, Colombia

Sometime around 2008


A JOURNEY WITHOUT CONTROL
The world is made up of pre-established logic, so inherent in the human mind that when the common of our thoughts overflows, we become "crazy".
I traveled. It did not have to be a physical space, I did not have to go far, I traveled inside myself with a drink called yagé. This type of travel with natural stimulants will always be strong, you feel a fight with yourself, it is a visit to the soul.
The screeching sounds, psychedelic images, and natural vapors now disturb me. Sometimes I am thoughtful about death and what surrounds us. Sometimes I feel like I'm being watched, sometimes I'm afraid of being alone, sleeping alone, the dark. Sometimes it smells of that, of burned branches, of nature to peace, and it disturbs me, I start to think that there will be after earth, life on other planets, the existence of humanity, in death, and I keep thinking. These are my symptoms after the trip, I suppose that over time it will pass, there are people who know how to control themselves better in this type of situation, it all depends.

I get on a bus to Candelaria, in the email it said where, when and how the taking of the yagé would take place, they specified not having had sexual intercourse for two weeks, not having eaten meat, not being pregnant, or on the days of menstruation . I arrived at a large farm. I settle in a tent that we carry with us in the cleared part, more or less about 20 meters from a campfire that is in a concrete circle, there could be approximately 30 people, but today there are only about 15.
The shamans or taitas of the night are 3 people from Putumayo between 18 years the youngest and 35 years the eldest, they have crystal eyes, they are sincere, their skin is healthy, smooth, beautiful. They are preparing brandy with seeds, and they burn branches like those of the churches but this smell is different, it makes me feel calm, it is totally relaxing; they say that this is a remedy, with this one is cured of all ills and that is why I should not be afraid. We do not deserve a millennial trip, we are currently making rituals move to the city, we contribute to the disappearance of traditions, we make economy of spiritual trips, and our war policies push these indigenous people out of their village, they charge for the treatment, they are 30 thousand pesos a shot. This is the human world, but the one I have to enter is not managed in this way.

Scientists say that when you dream or die you experience an adrenaline rush and expel a quantity of DMT through the pineal gland, similar to taking a yagé, so the experience becomes similar to death. The yagé is mainly composed of the ayahuasca root, a plant native to the Amazon, and used in the rituals of indigenous people from Peru, Ecuador, Colombia and Brazil, its component is the visionary active alkaloid DMT, it is the psychedelic with more intense action than It is known and of greater visual impact. The effect lasts from 5 to 8 hours, and takes 20 minutes after drinking it.
I go because I want to know what it is. I have already tried several natural stimulants and they have helped me to remind myself of who I am, I am ready. I am accompanied by Daniel, he also wants to know new worlds. He understands all of its chemical components.
I look at the whole world and no matter how much the shamans talk I can't concentrate, I don't know what will come, I'm scared, I see each person go towards them and take a totuma with a dark liquid, they make faces that tastes horrible, then they drink water, and then sit around the campfire. I. I don't want to go, well yes, I stop and see the thick liquid like a coffee pot, I look the shaman in the eye, and he beckons me to try it. I take it, it tastes horrible, but I don't drink to drink. I sit down with Daniel and wait for it to take effect.

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY MIND
"Nathaly, you're scaring me, Nathaly you're fine", Daniel is in front of me, he looks but he fades quickly, everything becomes small, suddenly I see him vomiting and I'm sitting in the tent in front of the exit, someone is playing outside the flute, I still see Daniel in four vomiting, I see the roof of the tent, I'm lying down, Daniel is no longer, if this, is not, no, no longer.

The images explode in my head, I don't have a body and I don't feel anything, I just watch and listen, everything repeats, it's like déjà vu, “it's like…” I can't speak. I do not know where I am, I look around and I am walking on sand, but I am not in my body I see everything from above, I am trying to get out of there, the voices say that this cannot be done, everything is being controlled, I see my mom sitting with circles on parts of her body, which make me realize that I do the same, I am like her, I see flowers, I see pink and yellow colors that mix, I see Daniel, I want him to help me, he disappears, no! I need to tell him to help me get out of here, I have to tell him that I have to get out of here, but the voices explain that when I try to count it I will go back to the beginning, everything will repeat itself, Daniel vanishes. I am just thoughts.

It is déjà vu, "it's like ..." I can't speak. The voices mock my inexperience, I did not know that we are being controlled, curiosity is my weak point, I have to understand, but I can not, I do not understand anything! only that they control us, I think and I think how to get out of there but I go back to an anthill that instead of ants we are all, yes, all of humanity, they observe us, "hahaha" the laughter becomes overwhelming, every time I try to explain it and understand very high voices in reverse are heard and everything starts again, like explaining to others that we are being controlled by something I don't know what it is, I feel overwhelmed, and I remember being with him.

Where will he be? It doesn't matter, I have to get out of here, I'm cold, but I don't know where I am, I see myself from afar in the images but I don't have control of my body, that part of me completely forgets it, I'm tired , this is exhausting I think. If I can't get out of here, if I can't explain or understand this, it will be remembering my life, and what if we're being controlled? , love is not controlled, it is something that cannot be controlled, so what? I no longer care not to understand, I like my life, that's fine. I must relax.
I am in space, there is no more life there than me, absolutely nothing is heard, the planet earth is in front of me, it dies and is reborn, like a rotten fruit it dies, but everything begins again.
It seems that that was the answer to my trip, so what? We feel so safe on earth, in our country, in our home, with our scientists, with our absolute truths, what the hell, we are all scared die, lose sanity, think that we are not autonomous in our decisions. There must be other dimensions, someone to observe us, something else. I say that there is something else, something that with our organism we cannot perceive, only with our death or its simulation of it can we transgress reality and know other things.

Awake, I'm outside the tent, I don't know why I'm so wet, I wish I had brought more clothes, another blanket. In the distance you can see the fire, I stop and everything spins, in the drunkenness one moves but the world is still, this is a different dizziness, I walk between accordions with hard and soft parts, I cannot control my footsteps and I have a lot cold, suddenly I'm in the tent, I don't know what I'm doing lying there, the songs of the taita are heard in the distance, "aiaua, yauma, umama, iahua" I get out of the tent, and take a blanket, it's wet, my body It is very light but I want to go to bed, I go to the tent and lie down, explosions are heard and a lot of noise, I look outside to see what is happening and the sky is colored, war explosions appear, there are helicopters and fire, I look at it In detail and then I think that if we are at war they would come to pick me up, Daniel would not leave me lying here, this must be the yagé and I go back to bed, the worst is over, now a few visions do nothing to my nerves. Daniel picks me up, I see him green, we go to the campfire and I can't speak yet, I don't have a tongue, I stare at the sky as if they were watching us.

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY BODY
You were pale, Daniel said when I asked him what I had done. I looked at you and you told me that you were afraid, that we would fall asleep, you went to bed and started making strange sounds, I told you that if you were fine, you did not answer me, I was very scared, he said.
I tried to fall asleep but I couldn't, you started crying I took away your tears and there you scared me more, you started to vomit lying down, and I had to get you out of the tent, you did not stop vomiting, outside you sat with your hands back and You vomited, you vomited a lot, you went to bed and you did not respond, I left you there to tell the Taita that you were very bad but he said "leave her, she has to fight with her demons", I stayed at the campfire with my eyes on you, until I didn't see you anymore then, I went to look for you in the tent.
I must clarify that I do not remember any of this, even if he says that I was looking him straight in the eye. He is someone spiritually strong, serene, he did not succumb to the taking of such power made drink, he was not afraid, he kept seeing the shapes in the air and he also lost the time and space created by the human, but not like me, he was partially fine.

THE NEXT MORNING
I'm finally falling asleep, when I hear a voice outside the tent telling us that cleaning is going to start, I got up and went to the circle of the campfire, I'm still a little dizzy, I see people in the bathroom that don't feel well , we stand in a circle and they start to pray to us, I don't know what they are saying but I was tired to ask, they sprayed us with the brandy they prepared at night and it feels very good, especially in the areas with pitting mosquito, it seems that I spent a long time outside the tent, I like the smell a lot, it smells of herbs, nature, fresh, it relaxes me, and the session ends.

Now I understand why you should have a diet before the trip, there are people who are dizzy, there are people who are still vomiting, there are others who did not receive the last prayer because they stained their pants. I, I feel wonderful, just like in the end of scary movies, the tension, the worry, the nerves are over, they already killed the monster, the ghost, the murderer.
On the way home, I think about what happened to me, and it is inexplicable, they warned me that I was not going to be able to explain it, and it is true, I only have conclusions for me, about my life and it is a night where you learn many things about yourself and life, sometimes there are problems that cannot be seen until they are shown to us, I am fine, now I am very well.
Yes, of course, I'm already ready for another shot. I don't care if after that night I have to go back to sleep a whole month for fear accompanied, or change songs on my playlist, or change a movie because its theme is related to something of my trip, all that would happen, and More important things will remain. Things that make me grow, things to think about.



SPANISH:

UN VIAJE SIN CONTROL
El mundo se constituye de unas lógicas preestablecidas, tan inherentes a la mente humana que cuando se desborda lo común de nuestros pensamientos, nos volvemos “locos”.
Yo viaje. No fue a un espacio físico, no tuve que ir lejos, viaje dentro de mí con una bebida llamada yagé. Este tipo de viajes con estimulantes naturales siempre van a ser fuertes, sientes una pelea contigo mismo, es una visita al alma.
Ahora los sonidos chirriantes, las imágenes psicodélicas y los vapores naturales me perturban. En ocasiones me quedo pensativa sobre la muerte y lo que nos rodea. A veces siento que me observan, a veces me da miedo estar sola, dormir sola, la oscuridad. A veces huele a eso, a ramas quemadas, a naturaleza a paz, y me perturba, me pongo a pensar que habrá después de la tierra, la vida en otros planetas, la existencia de la humanidad, en la muerte, y sigo pensando. Estos son mis síntomas después del viaje, supongo que con el tiempo se me pasara, hay personas que saben controlarse mejor en este tipo de situaciones, todo depende.
Subo a un bus hacia candelaria, en el correo electrónico decía donde, cuando y como se realizaría la toma del yagé, especificaban no haber tenido relaciones sexuales por dos semanas, no haber comido carne, no estar en embarazo, ni en los días de menstruación. Llegue a una finca grande. Me instalo en una carpa que llevamos con nosotros en la parte despejada, más o menos a unos 5 metros de una fogata que está en un círculo de cemento, allí se podrían hacer aproximadamente 30 personas, pero hoy solo hay unas 15.
Los chamanes o taitas de la noche son 3 personas del putumayo entre 18 años el menor y 35 años el mayor, ellos tienen ojos de cristal, son sinceros, su piel es sana, lisa, linda. Están preparando aguardiente con semillas, y queman ramas como las de las iglesias pero este olor es diferente, me hace sentir calmada, es totalmente relajante; ellos dicen que esto es un remedio, con esto uno se cura de todos los males y por eso no debo tener miedo. Nosotros no nos merecemos un viaje milenario, nosotros en este momento estamos haciendo que se desplacen los rituales a la ciudad, contribuimos a la desaparición de las tradiciones, hacemos economía de los viajes espirituales, y nuestras políticas de guerra impulsan a estos indígenas fuera de su aldea, ellos cobran por el tratamiento, son 30 mil pesos la toma. Así es el mundo humano, pero al que he de entrar no se maneja de esta manera.
Científicos dicen que cuando sueñas o mueres sufres un alza de adrenalina y expulsas una cantidad de DMT por la glándula pineal, similar a una toma de yagé, por lo que la experiencia se hace parecida a la muerte. El yagé está compuesto principalmente por la raíz ayahuasca, una planta originaria de la amazona, y utilizada en los rituales de indígenas de Perú, Ecuador, Colombia y Brasil, su componente es el alcaloide activo visionario DMT, es el psicodélico de acción más intensa que se conoce y de mayor impacto visual. El efecto va de 5 a 8 horas, y coge a los 20 minutos después de beberlo.
Yo voy porque quiero saber que es. Ya he probado varios estimulantes naturales y me han ayudado a recordarme quien soy, estoy preparada. Voy acompañada de Daniel, él también quiere conocer nuevos mundos. El entiende todos sus componentes químicos.
Miro a todo el mundo y por más de que hablan los chamanes no me puedo concentrar, no sé qué vendrá, tengo miedo, veo a cada persona ir hacia ellos y tomar una totuma con un líquido oscuro, hacen caras de que sabe horrible, luego toman agua, y después se sientan alrededor de la fogata. Yo. Yo no quiero ir, bueno si, me paro y veo el líquido espeso como cuncho de café, miro al chaman a los ojos, y me hace señas de que lo pruebe. Lo tomo, sabe horrible, pero no para vomitar tomo agua y me siento con Daniel a esperar que nos haga efecto.
LO QUE PASO CON MI MENTE
“Nathaly, me estas asustando, Nathaly estas bien”, Daniel está frente a mí, se ve pero se desvanece rápido, todo se hace pequeño, de repente lo veo vomitando y estoy sentada en la carpa frente a la salida, afuera esta alguien tocando la flauta, todavía veo a Daniel en cuatro vomitando, veo el techo de la carpa, estoy acostada, Daniel ya no está, si esta, no está, no, ya no está.
Las imágenes explotan en mi cabeza, no tengo cuerpo y no siento nada, solo observo y escucho, se repite todo, es como un déjà vu, “es como…” no puedo hablar. No sé dónde estoy, miro alrededor y estoy caminando sobre arena, pero no estoy en mi cuerpo todo lo veo desde arriba, estoy tratando de salir de allí, las voces dicen que eso no se puede, todo está siendo controlado, veo a mi mama sentada con círculos en partes de su cuerpo, que me hacen caer en cuenta que yo hago lo mismo, soy igual a ella, veo flores, veo colores rosados y amarillos que se mezclan, veo a Daniel, quiero que me ayude, se desaparece, ¡no! Necesito decirle que me ayude a salir de aquí, debo decirle que debo salir de aquí, pero las voces explican que cuando lo trate de contar me iré de nuevo al principio, todo se repetirá, Daniel se desvanece. Soy solo pensamientos.

Es un déjà vu, “es como…” no puedo hablar. Las voces se burlan de mi inexperiencia, no sabía que estamos siendo controlados, es la curiosidad mi punto débil, tengo que entender, pero no puedo, ¡no entiendo nada! solo que nos controlan, pienso y pienso como salir de allí pero vuelvo a un hormiguero que en vez de hormigas estamos todos, sí, toda la humanidad, nos observan, “jajaja” las risas se hacen abrumadoras, cada vez que trato de explicarlo y entender se escuchan voces en reversa muy agudas y todo vuelve a comenzar, como explicar a los demás que estamos siendo controlados por algo que no sé qué es, me siento abrumada, y recuerdo que estaba con él.
¿Dónde estará él?, no importa, tengo que salir de aquí, tengo frio, pero no sé dónde estoy, me veo desde lejos en las imágenes pero no tengo control de mi cuerpo, esa parte de mí la olvide por completo, estoy cansada, esto es agotador pienso. Si no puedo salir de aquí, si no puedo explicar ni entender esto, será recordar mi vida, ¿y que si estamos siendo controlados? , el amor no se controla, es algo que no se puede controlar, ¿y qué? , ya no me importa no entender, me gusta mi vida, así está bien. Debo relajarme.
Estoy en el espacio, no hay más vida allí que yo, no se escucha absolutamente nada, el planeta tierra está frente a mí, se muere y vuelve a renacer, como una fruta podrida se muere, pero todo vuelve a comenzar.
Parece que esa era la respuesta a mi viaje, ¿y qué?, nos sentimos tan seguros en la tierra, en nuestro país, en nuestro hogar, con nuestros científicos, con nuestras verdades absolutas, ¡qué va!, a todos nos da miedo morir, perder la cordura, pensar que no somos autónomos en nuestras decisiones. Deben haber otras dimensiones, alguien que nos observe, algo más. Yo digo que hay algo más, algo que con nuestro organismo no alcancemos a percibir, solo con nuestra muerte o su simulación de ella podremos trasgredir la realidad y conocer otras cosas.
Despierto, estoy afuera de la carpa, no sé por qué estoy tan mojada, desearía haber traído más ropa, otra cobija. A lo lejos se ve la fogata, me paro y todo da vueltas, en la borrachera uno se mueve pero el mundo está quieto, este es un mareo diferente, camino entre acordeones con partes duras y blandas, no puedo controlar mis pisadas y tengo mucho frio, de repente estoy en la carpa, no sé qué hago allí acostada, se escuchan los cantos del taita a lo lejos,”aiaua, yauma, umama, iahua” salgo de la carpa, y tomo una cobija, esta mojada, mi cuerpo está muy liviano pero quiero acostarme, entro a la carpa y me recuesto, se escuchan explosiones y mucho ruido, miro afuera para ver qué es lo que pasa y el cielo esta de colores, aparecen explosiones de guerra, hay helicópteros y fuego, lo miro con detalle y luego pienso que si estamos en guerra me vendrían a recoger, Daniel no me dejaría acá tirada, esto debe ser el yagé y me vuelvo a acostar, ya paso lo peor, ahora unas cuantas visiones no hacen nada a mis nervios. Daniel me recoge, lo veo verde, vamos a la fogata y no puedo hablar todavía, no tengo lengua, me quedo mirando el cielo como si nos observaran.
LO QUE PASO CON MI CUERPO
Tú estabas pálida, dijo Daniel cuando le pregunte que había hecho yo. Te mire y me dijiste que tenías miedo, que nos durmiéramos, te acostaste y empezaste a hacer sonidos extraños, te dije que si estabas bien, no me respondías, me asusté mucho me dijo.
Me intente quedar dormido pero no pude, tu empezaste a llorar yo te quite la lagrima y ahí me asustaste más, empezaste a vomitar acostada, y me toco sacarte de la carpa, no dejabas de vomitar, afuera te sentaste con las manos hacia atrás y vomitabas, vomitaste mucho, te acostaste y no respondías, te deje ahí para decirle al taita que estabas muy mal pero él dijo “ déjala, ella tiene que luchar con sus demonios”, me quede en la fogata con la vista hacia ti, hasta que no te vi más entonces, fui a buscarte a la carpa.
Debo aclarar que no recuerdo nada de esto, aunque él diga que yo lo miraba fija a los ojos. El, es alguien fuerte espiritualmente, sereno, no sucumbió ante la toma de semejante poder hecho bebida, no le dio miedo, se mantuvo viendo las formas en el aire y también perdió el tiempo y espacio creado por el humano, pero no como yo, él estaba parcialmente bien.,
A LA MAÑANA SIGUIENTE
Por fin estoy quedándome dormida, cuando escucho una voz fuera de la carpa que nos dice que va a empezar la limpieza, me levante y fui al círculo de la fogata, todavía estoy un poco mareada, veo gente en el baño que no se siente bien, nos hacemos en un círculo y nos empiezan a rezar, no sé qué será lo que dicen pero estaba cansada como para preguntar, nos rocían con el aguardiente que prepararon en la noche y se siente muy bien, sobre todo en las partes con picaduras de mosquito, parece que estuve mucho tiempo afuera de la carpa, el olor me gusta mucho, huele a hierbas, a naturaleza, a fresco, me relaja, y termina la sesión.
Ahora entiendo por qué se debe tener una dieta antes del viaje, hay personas mareadas, hay personas vomitando todavía, hay otras que no recibieron el último rezo porque mancharon sus pantalones. Yo, me siento de maravilla, así como en los finales de películas de miedo, se acabó la tensión, la preocupación, los nervios, ya mataron el mostro, el fantasma, el asesino.
En el camino a casa, pienso en lo que me paso, y es inexplicable, ellos me advirtieron que no lo iba a poder explicar, y es cierto, solo tengo conclusiones para mí, sobre mi vida y es una noche en donde aprendes muchas cosas sobre ti mismo y la vida, a veces hay problemas que no se pueden ver hasta que nos los muestran, estoy bien, ahora estoy muy bien.
Sí, claro, yo ya estoy preparada para otra toma. No me importa si después de esa noche tengo que volver a dormir un mes entero por miedo acompañada, o cambiar canciones de mi lista de reproducción, o cambiar una película porque su tema se relaciona con algo de mi viaje, todo eso se pasara, y quedaran cosas más importantes. Cosas que me hagan crecer, cosas en que pensar.
 

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#2 Posted : 3/27/2020 7:16:03 PM

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Cool experience report, thank you for sharing this!
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You need to hit it with intention to get where you want to be!

"Good and evil lay side by side as electric love penetrates the sky..." -Hendrix

"We have arrived at truth, and now we find truth is a mystery- a play of joy, creation, and energy. This is source. This is the mystic touchstone that heals and renews. This is the beginning again. This is entheogenic." -Nicholas Sand
 
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#3 Posted : 3/28/2020 6:19:11 PM
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zdank wrote:


only that they control us, I think and I think how to get out of there but I go back to an anthill that instead of ants we are all, yes, all of humanity,


The "free will" is humanity’s biggest lie. I have been telling this to people way before I took psychedelics. They don’t listen.

zdank wrote:

they observe us,


Sometimes.

zdank wrote:

I am in space, there is no more life there than me, absolutely nothing is heard, the planet earth is in front of me, it dies and is reborn, like a rotten fruit it dies, but everything begins again.


It’s true that the physical world now is for Earth. The stars are white dots in the sky. If you want to meet aliens, don’t look for them on another planet. Look behind the walls.

Not always this world gets created. There are other physical worlds.

Besides, it has multiple versions. They are permutations as a part of a fractal. Imagine bubbles of time on the arm of the fractal.

zdank wrote:

There must be other dimensions


Yes, there are. They are connected to each other. It’s possible to move between them or see more than one of them at the same time.

She wasn’t weak at all. She got quite a lot of insight for a first trip. She should be proud.
 
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#4 Posted : 3/30/2020 7:26:05 PM

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Nice avatar. I would like to experience a jungle brew one day. Doubt that will happen though but I am open to it.

A friend and I tried to brew Ayahuasca several years back in my parents kitchen (but they weren't home!) and actually he was doing most of the brewing as I had acquired the ingredients. He was saying joke prayers I remember (how disrespectful) and when we drank it and went to lay on a couch in the basement stoned on bud vapes nothing happened HAHAHA.

NOT FUNNY REALLY.

I am new too. I guess it can go here why not? Nice to see you offering such value so soon. Try Erowid too if you feel compelled to get that shared with others?

I am beginning to understand how heavily bias can influence experience reports but also appreciate that we have much in common and by sharing we can learn and grow?

The requirements she had to meet before seeing the awesome shamans sound legit.
 
zdank
#5 Posted : 3/31/2020 12:02:30 AM

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Plutarchalitea wrote:
Nice avatar. I would like to experience a jungle brew one day. Doubt that will happen though but I am open to it.

A friend and I tried to brew Ayahuasca several years back in my parents kitchen (but they weren't home!) and actually he was doing most of the brewing as I had acquired the ingredients. He was saying joke prayers I remember (how disrespectful) and when we drank it and went to lay on a couch in the basement stoned on bud vapes nothing happened HAHAHA.

NOT FUNNY REALLY.

I am new too. I guess it can go here why not? Nice to see you offering such value so soon. Try Erowid too if you feel compelled to get that shared with others?

I am beginning to understand how heavily bias can influence experience reports but also appreciate that we have much in common and by sharing we can learn and grow?

The requirements she had to meet before seeing the awesome shamans sound legit.


Hahahahaaha, thank you! I did post it on Erowid as well, looks like the approval process takes some time though.
I'm happy to share my experiences with whomever is willing to listen.
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zdank
#6 Posted : 3/31/2020 12:15:41 AM

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Anonymous2 wrote:
zdank wrote:


only that they control us, I think and I think how to get out of there but I go back to an anthill that instead of ants we are all, yes, all of humanity,


The "free will" is humanity’s biggest lie. I have been telling this to people way before I took psychedelics. They don’t listen.

zdank wrote:

they observe us,


Sometimes.

zdank wrote:

I am in space, there is no more life there than me, absolutely nothing is heard, the planet earth is in front of me, it dies and is reborn, like a rotten fruit it dies, but everything begins again.


It’s true that the physical world now is for Earth. The stars are white dots in the sky. If you want to meet aliens, don’t look for them on another planet. Look behind the walls.

Not always this world gets created. There are other physical worlds.

Besides, it has multiple versions. They are permutations as a part of a fractal. Imagine bubbles of time on the arm of the fractal.

zdank wrote:

There must be other dimensions


Yes, there are. They are connected to each other. It’s possible to move between them or see more than one of them at the same time.

She wasn’t weak at all. She got quite a lot of insight for a first trip. She should be proud.


You are right she wasn't weak at all. Maybe in her own eyes. she was very proud and I believe she still is. Smile
 
 
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