Edit:- it was 5g not 4
I'm still alive Surprisingly
So I'll go on about my trip report and things I've noticed
P.s don't mind my english.


I boiled 5g of seeds whole, not grounded or mashed. In 500 ml of water, I've decided to start with 3g but couldn't a way to get the seeds grounded so since I'm boiling them whole i decided to go with 5g.

Also I'd like to mention that i wanted to boil 3*30mins but only managed to do one boil of 30mins because during the second boil the heat was bit higher than the first boil and within the 30mins mark the water was evaporated totally and left the seeds getting burnt.

I was disappointed that this happened for my first session with rue

I drank the first boil and sat on my bed listening to Shpongle

After 30 mins i started feeling extremely heavy body load like i couldn't even move my legs and my visionary effects begin at this point.

To begin with i was looking at my phone and when i move my phone side ways the trails of the screen would move side ways, everything filled with tracers and the screen was wavy like if I'm looking at psychedelic art covers of music the painting would breath and move around.

This wavy breathing of screen and tracers got more intense and i was surprised seeing this.

I decided to try to get up and walk around but it was extremely difficult to get up and balance myself. I did manage to get up and walk around in my room and everything in my Pov was moving around like I'm drunk on alcohol and i found it difficult to walk.

The most amazing and unforgettable part of the trip happened when i looked outside through the windows, at the city lights and trees and interestingly at this time the song "Around the world in a tea daze"(That Synchronisity) by shpongle was playing and looking at the lights and trees i noticed very strange visions like trials which looked like glass and shining and then these glasslike trails turned into a body of a long transparent snake, it was moving continuously like climbing onto something, circling vertically revolving around something i was extremely surprised seeing this.
This was wild but it was not filled with Colors like how you'd experience on lsd or shrooms. These hallucinations were transparent and shiny like glass and crystals, Fast paced trails.

The important part that i couldn't mention in above writing is that i was having an extremely high heartbeat. I was worried about this the whole time. I thought I'd die if this continued i was breathing actively to balance the heartbeat but since the last 3 days i have a cold and had chest congestion during the trip which may have made it difficult to breath properly.

Also I'd like to mention that i did take some medication for the past 3 days but this is not anything related to maoi or serotonin. These medicines were for curing cold and fever. But i didn't take anything 24 hours prior to ingestion of rue.

I couldn't believe that so much happened on 5g whole seeds boiled. I read a lot regarding Syrian rue and Formahuasca. I should have took 3g but I'm a heavy guy and i couldn't manage to ground the seeds so went with 5g

The most beautiful part of the intoxication started here,I just lied down to make sure i relax myself and not feel anxious about the heart beat and i turned off the music and slowly drifted into a state of infinite thought processes and infinite head space. I was thinking about my life, my habits and everything made sense i took some decisions about my habits like smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol and i was happy seeing how i was abled to connect the dots like I'd think about the things that are bothering me and I'd come up with a solution to that problem/issue or how to deal with it. when i try to do this sober i usually ended up with negativity and make things more worse or just go careless about the issues.

I felt thankful to the rue but my heart beat was still High and kept me worried throughout the trip.
I fell asleep after 5 hours of trip duration i know the trip lasts for at least 6-8 hours but i was extremely tired and i did this very late into the night around 3am. And had a good sleep and woke up happy that I'm still alive and breathing.

Also I'd like to mention that even with this amount of heavy body load and nausea i didn't vomit at all. Slightly discomfort in stomach when sitting and nothing else, no side effects.

I understood that this batch of seeds are very very potent and not to be messed with.
I am still integrating as I type this.

I suggest each and everyone of you to experience the power of rue instead of just using it as MAOI

Is it normal to have such strange hallucinations like Glassy and shining and shimmering crystal like trails and tracers on psychedelic doses of rue?

Considering you didn’t take your pills 24 hours before the rue, I would rule them out. I take two, sometimes three medications that would be a horrible combination with a MAOI. They are extended-release, and I take one in the afternoon. But when I didn’t take them in the next morning, taking rue was always fine.

(What’s strange that when I take harmaline, I always desire to eat cheese. And I do, a few hours after the trip ends. Normally, I’m on paleo, and I don’t eat cheese).

A few days ago, someone wrote it to me on this forum that rue has no toxins. Well, I didn’t have your experience (also never took 4g rue), but as far as I remember, the rue stressed my body more than the extract I made of it later. I take 200mg harmaline-HCL for pharma, and 70mg for mushrooms, and it’s fine. Rue was not so great. I’m not sure how much I used to take but it was less than 4g.

You could try to make an extract too, and compare.

By the way, what did you eat that day?

Anonymous2 Thanks for the reply

And yeah i didn't take any medication for more than 24hrs before drinking the tea
And i didnt eat anything which had high amounts of tyramine and for the past 2 days was on a healthy diet. Had a pizza 4 days ago and after that i didn't have anything cheesy or such.

Edit :- i ate some good amount of Multigrain bread 12 hours before drinking the tea

I believe it's because of the chest congestion i had during the trip which may not have let me breath completely and I've read that rue makes the user breath actively when under the effects, or maybe it was because of the bread.

I've read that people feel increased heart beat on rue but it was never unusually high. I could literally feel my heart beating much Faster than usual.


Will try again soon and I'll see how it goes. I'll lower the dose a bit this time.

Actually the Harmalas are inside of the peel so NEVER grind the seeds, especially for the extraction of harmalas for more than 1 consumption.

You will end up with something that is impossible to filter.

And this means regarding your tea creation you could also just have sticked to a 3 g tea, which would be very equipotent to a 3 g tea with grinded seeds

Thanks for the reply

I read through many threads and posts and most of the experienced users mentioned that one must use bit more seeds and more boils to achieve good results on whole seeds.

I thought I'd grind the seeds for the next session with rue or any other future DMT journeys but yeah after looking at yesterday's results, I'm never going to grind rue seeds.

I will never extract harmalas in the future Because i dont see a point in going through so much struggle when i can just make tea out of whole seeds.

Hello ShponledMan,

Sounds like a 5g dose of rue That's in the high end of a rue dose too in my opinion. 3-4g for dmt oral activation is my own preference. Trails are indeed a common effect of the rue and the only of which I've found noteworthy visually speaking. On high dosages (read dangerous) dosages 10-15g+ auditory hallucinations are wild and very much unwanted at the level of nausea that will undoubtedly accompany you.

Regarding medicines I'd strongly caution you to never mix these with a maoi. Since medicines differ on how long they are in the body it's best not to use any meds days if not weeks before going with a maoi/RIMA in my opinion.

The consequences can be severe with meds (e.g. hypertension) and very uncomfortable and painful with food interactions. You can never take it too seriously when it comes to your health

As an example: on my recent yagé experience I got a severe 28hour non-stop migraine from which relief was brief and hard to find. The probable culprit was my post-yagé meal of some Chili con carne which I should've eaten at a later time but I was ravished and did a foolish mistake by eating it. Eating a meal was not worth it by a long shot.

Safe travels, friend.

Thank you so much for the reply, Matoskah
I've read your posts here and there and i find them interesting. Huge respect

I thought if I'm not on any SSRI or anything related to anti depressants would be fine before ingesting rue or oral DMT. I didn't know this also applied to medicines in general

I believe the heart rate was due to the medicines that were in my system. I thought not taking any anti-biotics 24+ hours before rue would be enough to be safe.

And the food interaction, i believe the bread was also the reason for such high heart rate.

extracting whole seeds is also super easy:

Just do an acidic cook 3x (with new water) on the whole seeds, filter out the seeds and then basify it to pH 13.

All harmalas will crash out, wait for them to settle down and then pour off the water, add new water until it remains colorless after the harmalas settled to the bottom. This should also be the point where the pH reaches ~ 7, but you may also verify it. Then pour also the last portion of water off and let it dry - easy!

Its easier to just handle 100 - 200 mg of Harmalas then doing a new seed tea every time you need one. But still up to your preferences

Like I've mentioned above boiling the whole seeds for 30mins was enough to melt my face. If I'm preparing for a pharma session I'll just boil the 3g seeds for 30mins. But i believe the extract is cleaner and smooth on the body.
I will try extraction once I'm comfortable with tea.
Thanks for the simple and coherent tek you've mentioned.

Sure extracted material should be a little smoother on the body, but still you can feel stick when applying too much

Dosage range:

100 mg = worthy MAO inhibition
200 mg = full MAO inhibition for strongest effect, no more needed to enhance other Alks,
also still no bad side effects on body
300 mg = may already cause sickness and start to trip on harmalas too
400 mg = 100 % vomit guarantee, really intense - just for when you really want to provoke a Harmala only experience

Looking at these dosage and effects you describe
I may have ended up in hospital if i had managed to make 3x boils of the seeds like i had planned for. Because just on a first boil filter i tripped hard and had my heart pacing crazy, now imagining a complete 3x boil is scary because it would have nearly 2x more extract in it.

Maybe the water evaporated and seeds got burnt so that I'd be fine

I shall try extraction and dosage like you mentioned above soon,BW

Don't forget to post your findings, good sir!

Safe travels

Wow, that sounds amazing! I've been eating seeds crushed for MAO inhibition since my stomach is indestructible and I can't be bothered to extract it, but it seems like you get a lot more out of the seeds with a tea. I have to try this the next time I smoalk moar.

That was once my preferred method also, 3g or so in gel caps.

@ Shponled, at the risk of sounding naggy I’d also like to encourage you to try the extraction, it really is easy and I personally find it fun because I’m a nerd like that with that sort of thing. It’s really cool seeing the fb turn color and crash out and if you were to decide to take it a step further with a Manske (just adding salt instead of sodium carbonate, etc) the crystals that grow are amazing. It makes for a fun little project.

Something that came up a few weeks ago was the mention of roasting the seeds, approx 17-19 minutes at 350F on a cookie sheet in the oven. Has anyone tried this? What was being reported was that it cancels out a good bit of the nausea and gut discomfort. I’ve not had a chance to try it but as far as teks go, if it works, that makes it even easier than a quick tea.

Sabnock here (old username on here, and usual username at the Shroomery). I've been dosing the roasted seed powder in capsules daily for a little over a month now, no nausea or vomiting at all, so far, started out with 2 to 2.5 grams, upped it to 3 grams, then within the last week upped it to 4.4 grams, much better dosing the roasted seed powder vs raw seed powder. Try it out

ShponledMan, good that the second batch was burned, you had already a good go on 1 boil.
Higher hearth beat is quite normal, accompanied with deeper breathing too, one simply lives more intense. Also in daily microdosing it has that effect yet less of course, but I always like this living-more-intense effect of rue, and it makes for deeper sleeps at night.
At trippy doses (like what you did) it is also normal to feel paralysed a tad, I believe it is the blood pressure dip doings. Watch out stumbling around!! Someone I knew fell badly and died no joke. I don't want to scare as you this is an exceptional bad luck, just if you do stumble around make sure to not fall, if necessary crawl, deep trips have made people crawl to the toilet more than once

ShamensStamen my non roasted seeds are already powdered, do you know if roasting powder is just as okay? Thx.

I'm not sure of roasting the seed powder vs whole seed would make any difference, i haven't yet tried it with already powdered seed, but i wouldn't think it'd hurt, just try it out and see i guess.

When I finished the recent caps then I'll try roasting powder before capping it

Hmmmm. I think this is the first report I have read of Syrian Rue taken alone. Funny I just thought to myself like yesterday I wonder what Rue does by itself if anything but never got around to looking into it more.

Perhaps this is the spark to send me reading up on it!

Cheers!