Hey everybody,

I wanted to ask when do you feel like you should stop for a little while...
I often think of the famous Alan Watts quote: "when you get the message, hang up the phone".
Among you, who feels they got the message? And among those who got the message, who felt ready to hang up the phone? (maybe the ones that keep on coming here haven't hung up! but then, if you haven't, why?)

My weekly DMT ritual is on Wednesdays but last night, I felt like I should take a break. Why? It's not clear. But one thing comes to my mind: I think I've been starting to chase something.

Every time I took LSD I ended up thinking "oh, now I understand why there's no need to drop LSD".
A bunch of time in DMT trips, the spice was telling me "there is no breakthrough". Of course, I don't think the spice was denying the "gap" there is between sub-BT and BT experiences. I think it was saying something like what Zen Buddhism says sometimes "there is no enlightenment", or "the awakening is realizing there is no awakening", stuff like that.

I've always envisioned psychedelics as means to get rid of my ego and increase my capacity to love reality/others. I'm afraid that I've lost track of that for the past few weeks. I also think it could be the flip side of such a beautiful place like this one. At some point, you read reports and you feel "I wanna experience that!" and you start to believe, subconsciously or not, that your life will not be complete until you get there, that you're missing out on something, or missing something period. You compare yourself to others, which is never great.

The experience is fascinating, overwhelming, yet very mysterious. So it calls for more. And bigger dosage.

At the end of a recent experience, as I was coming back down, the spice told me to be more humble. Like "I know you're trying as much as you can to be humble to others and to yourself, but you can do more". And it kinda shed light on some parts of my life where I'm still pretty "confident". I remember Ram Dass saying that the final and biggest obstacle on the path to enlightenment is righteousness: the great yogi is prevented from awakening because of how good he is. Sometimes, I feel like I'm trying to hard to be great in my spiritual journey, in a way. I also remember this beautiful quote:
"the next answer you need is right where you are".

And so I feel like I need to take a couple of weeks away from the spice, just to be able to greet the trip like a pure gift again, and not as a means to gain something.

I wonder how many of us couldn't BT just because they were aware of the concept of BT. Because often, reaching out for something is the worst way to get it.

Here are some of my questions, I hope you can relate to some of them, and maybe share how you feel : )

When you get the message, you hang up the phone...

but, you don't turn off the ringer.

Trust your intuition, we know when we are not in a right relationship and when it's time to take a step back, examine our intentions, and reorient.

Breakthrough is not a noun. It's just going beyond your previous expectations.

It sounds like you've gotten a clear message that it's time to take a break. Honor that and hang it up till you receive the next call.

Yea i usually only smoke dmt maybe every six months and in between I play with lsd, mesc, and very light pharma doses (25-40mg)... I’m a firm believer in only smoking when I feel the inclination to get very powerful insight... I’ve continuously got the same message which is our brains or egos are just pronounced expressions of existence. I also almost always come to the conclusion that experiencing your day to day life is ultimately the most important thing. It’s almost like dmt always kinda deters me from focusing to much on my experiences and try’s to force my focus back where it belongs... so I try to abide by ol dimitris wishes

With DMT it can be easy to read very far into absolutely nothing. Maybe de-ritualize it a little bit and don’t have a specific schedule. Now that you’ve seen what it can do just do it when you actually feel like it and spend your time focusing on other things

I've gone through a period of smoalking several times a week for a couple months. Sometimes every night. I've started to have lackluster trips, way less visual psychedelia (geometry), and at times have encountered horribly frightening demonic entities. Also have had some incredible experiences which I will remember always. I feel it may be time to dial it back a little, maybe work with the pharma.

Hey Tony6strings, thanks for sharing : )

I don't know if it's a language thing, but I don't understand "work with the pharma". What is the pharma? Oddly, first time I've read that word is today, and twice in that topic, when I've been reading a lot of things here! Thanks!

thank you for your answer, dreamer042!

I'm not sure how clear the message is tho, tbh. It feels like it came from my reasoning (but my reason is, indeed, infused with "wise thoughts" in a way). During my very last trip, the spice or "they" were calling me to get somewhere. The experiences were not disappointing and they were outlining something even more overwhelming.

That's why I asked... cause I'm not sure if I'm being "too reasonable", if you know what I mean...

Pharmahuasca, oral dmt with harmalas.

Hang up the phone as often as required and answer the next call as often required , there is no need to be always on the phone and no need to answer every call , or to not answer atall since some calls are important and others are just telemarketers trying to waste your time

definitley drink ayahuasca! hey, if you got this courage in you go at it! drink some bridgesii or peyote too. Drink herbs before dmt, diet specifically on herbs, then smoke dmt; do it at the equinox, do it on full moons or on clear and quiet and starry nights; do it pointing east, pointing west, pointing north, pointing south; with different music.

But one thing is clear

The break takes you

whatever stage you are in right now, it wont last. So enjoy? =)

OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI
May there be peace, peace and perfect peace.

Hey, I am really grateful for all the advices, really really, but I was genuinely interested in you guys, and what makes you take a break, or what makes you feel you need to go back at it, and so far, it seems to be all about me!

I've only been exploring DMT since December 2019, when I did ayahuasca for the first time. Since then I have been doing ayahuasca weekly, until a few weeks ago.

The feeling or calling to do it just left me. Thats the only way I can explain it. No logical reason or thought out process. Just a feeling (or perhaps the lack of one).

That said, I have a date planned in the near future when I will be travelling again.

Perhaps following the next journey my feelings may change again!

oh, I couldnt smoke dmt even if I wanted to I got what I went for. It established in me. I now practice meditation and yoga and drinking teas and I get psychedelic, but its always just some tokes, a microdose or shrooms. I dont aim for a breakthrough trip, or even a vision trip...I cant leave myself so much, i am very vulnerable. It would demolish me. I am so sensitive I feel like I am outside my body manyntimes. I have visions all day without dmt. I know its crazy but its not what you think, its nice and good. I get a kick out of it Anyway thats why I embrace your courage. You are really going out there into the frontiers, you are getting the visions, decoding the message, experiencing that love haha but thats so cool! You are very fortunate. It takes balls. Its strong medicine. Its good that the medicine exists, it will always be available, it is born of the earth as we are. But I think its amazing how all things come to pass. There is only consciousness, you always return to your self, to silence, emptiness...you are always your same consciousness from the day you were born to now, its just that ideas and perspectives and emotions and habits change, but the stream of consciousness is really supreme. Its firm, present. The seasons...Impermanence.

remember to diet with herbs n_n

In my case, cause of a break is that after my last most, hmm, intense BT I realized I can't really let it go. I realized I am a player of games, I like games and I like to play them. I am deep into- and not ready to let go of this most interesting game called "life" yet.

I loved sub-BT experiences I had (now I can call them "recreational" ) and if I had 100% reliable way of having them with spice I'd probably continue.
But just as you start to think you are in control with spice, you are not in control and you might buy more than you paid for

That's why I resorted to careful experiments and therapy with more gentle and slow substances.

However, just as dreamer042 said, the ringer is not turned off for me. I've recently helped friend with extraction and have 1g of spice just laying there waiting for its time. It will be oral ROA this time most likely.

When the time is right

Since writing this I have had two incredible breakthrough experiences!! Both times- 25 mg harmala freebase smoked in a rolled cigarette, followed by 40 mg in gvg. Incredible morphing geometry! Alien hieroglyphs! Benevolent loving entities! I witnessed the big bang and the birth of planets! Instruction in the worship of that which is eternal!! THIS is why I smoalk this stuff. I will smoalk moar!

Hey Fran, how important do you find this to be? I've met some people who are strongly of the opinion that one should follow a "dieta" and others who say they've done so and it's made no impact at all.

Can you let me know specifically what has worked for you? Be much appreciated

Awesome news Tony!

What do you think the differences were that caused the BTs?

dieta: sour punch twists, milkshakes, cold hazelnut coffee with cream and sugar and liberal scoops of ice cream (cookies and cream!), honey buns heated in toaster oven then covered with coconut pecan (German chocolate) frosting.

Such a dieta is essential, I feel!

Pre dosing with harmala cigarette, most definitely. I've been gunshy about this combo ever since a particularly intense breakthrough a while back.