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nomorefear
#1 Posted : 2/8/2020 6:14:50 PM
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Since shroomery is not providing any discussion, I'll share key parts of my experience here. Here is full trip report.
https://www.shroomery.or...flat.php/Number/26464559

I did my first mushroom trip 2 weeks ago and I got some very good insight into the nature of reality. Part of it could have been hallucination, but there's many things that I can't doubt or ignore.
I did 5g and got totally lost into the experience. There's few topics I would like to discuss:

1) Has anyone had an experience that reality is a dream? That's what I was shown and realized in the trip
2) Reptilians. They reside in 4th dimension right? I googled other people's reports, but mine seems unique. I began speaking/channeling this weird Arabic/snake-language. Then at one point it felt like I was having dialogue with someone. Eventually I get taken over by a reptilian and I get aggressive towards another member. I'm pulled to the ground. I realize I can't defend myself, and then try to hypnotize him and download his mind. I felt fine the whole time, nothing evil, but my memory blacks out big time in this period.
3) DMT visuals. I heard that if you take big enough dose of mushrooms, you can have DMT-like experience. I was at my bungalow and my wallpapers had this kind of textures and it also felt like the room was moving. https://www.reddit.com/r...ntation_of_dmt_entities/
This was the most trippy part, but it didn't last long
4) I had almost no hallucinations. What I experienced later in the trip was distorted reality. Everyone had 4 hands, 4 legs and 6 fingers. My wallet was double the size and I had multiple ID cards. My iPhone swiped from left to right. This was all a static view. What can explain this phenomena?
5) The whole experience had this dream/spirit/lucid-like feel to it. The world looks the same, but is it possible I enter some kind of spirit realm? Towards the end my body is floating and feeling unbounded, like I have no spine anymore. It's almost like I'm blending into reality (astral body??)

I have this feeling that I was invited to experience higher realms right away. 10 others who tripped just saw normal reality with visuals, bright colors and sounds.
I was feeling totally euphoric and transcended, like it was the end of the dream and I would continue to live in this spirit-like realm forever.
When I came back I was very confused and like I had no point in consciousness. Next nights when I went to sleep, I often felt awake and like I was in another place. When I woke up, again, I wasn't sure where I was and needed to convince myself. This happened even today even though I'm back home from traveling.

So big trip, what's your thoughts?
Overall I'd like to try DMT. I'm not really interested in trippy visuals. I want to gain insight and see more of what is out there. I've had long fascination with out-of-body travels and astral projection.
 

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FranLover
#2 Posted : 2/8/2020 9:41:19 PM

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nomorefear wrote:
but is it possible I enter some kind of spirit realm?


Yes, of course.
Todo lo que quiero es que me recuerdes siempre así...amándote. Mantay kuna kayadidididi~~Ayahuasca shamudididi. Silence โ—‹ Shiva โ—‡ eternal Purusha.
What we have done is establish the rule of authority in silence. Silence is the administrator of the universe. In silence is the script of Natural Law, eternally guiding the destiny of everyone. The Joy of Giving โ™กSee the job. Do the job. Stay out of the misery.โ™ก
May this world be established with a sense of well-being and happiness. May all beings in all worlds be blessed with peace, contentment, and freedom.
This mass of stress visible in the here & now has sensuality for its reason, sensuality for its source, sensuality for its cause, the reason being simply sensuality.
 
nomorefear
#3 Posted : 2/8/2020 10:27:42 PM
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FranLover wrote:
nomorefear wrote:
but is it possible I enter some kind of spirit realm?


Yes, of course.

Can you elaborate? The world around was exactly the same, but I lifted off in my head so to speak.
Early on in my trip I felt very connected to the energy around me and started to channel that language just by feeling the energy around. Then the reptile connection, is it possible I was entering astral realm?
It was early evening and I didn't explore landscape, so I didn't see any "spirits". But when I went to see others, it's like we were in an elevated reality. Not hallucinating, just being

And then the big comeback from the trip. I had totally lost sense of where I was and what had happened. I looked at my phone. I felt strange satisfaction to see all the apps again. I remembered my personality and assumed that I was back in this slow-mode reality again. I looked at things like weather and clock like I was almost re-discovering them.
I was somewhere else during the trip, but I can't make sense where...
I had one out of body experience where I didn't have form. It's like I was astral essence. At the end of the trip, I was feeling similar, not in my physical body anymore, still bounded by it but more like in the light body.
I also think that my ego blacked out and I was in a witness mode later part of the trip. Maybe not ego-death, but transcendent however.
If I blacked out SO BADLY I must have been at a high place Big grin
 
FranLover
#4 Posted : 2/9/2020 6:48:36 AM

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Sounds like an amazing trip Thumbs up💓 You think you are gonna take this medicine again?

When you use the sacred plants and fungi you are opened up to the realm of the unmanifest. Cosmic consciousness. When you feel your body disappearing, as if melting into the whole of reality, this is the interconectedness of all things. The body melts into its place in Earth and in the cosmos. These are the first stages of trancendance, in my experience.

If you wonder why you didn't have hallucinations, hallucinations happen when the body becomes immobile, once it can't function (and generally totally disappears.) Deep visions are like a little death; they generally happen when you abandon your humanness totally and can not interact with the world any further at all. Retreating into the psyche, one finds other worlds there. This is how deep visions occur. Deep visions can go so far as to the beginning of existence itself; total emptiness and eternal silence. The psyche goes into its place in existence.
Todo lo que quiero es que me recuerdes siempre así...amándote. Mantay kuna kayadidididi~~Ayahuasca shamudididi. Silence โ—‹ Shiva โ—‡ eternal Purusha.
What we have done is establish the rule of authority in silence. Silence is the administrator of the universe. In silence is the script of Natural Law, eternally guiding the destiny of everyone. The Joy of Giving โ™กSee the job. Do the job. Stay out of the misery.โ™ก
May this world be established with a sense of well-being and happiness. May all beings in all worlds be blessed with peace, contentment, and freedom.
This mass of stress visible in the here & now has sensuality for its reason, sensuality for its source, sensuality for its cause, the reason being simply sensuality.
 
nomorefear
#5 Posted : 2/9/2020 8:56:30 AM
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FranLover wrote:
Sounds like an amazing trip Thumbs up💓 You think you are gonna take this medicine again?

When you use the sacred plants and fungi you are opened up to the realm of the unmanifest. Cosmic consciousness. When you feel your body disappearing, as if melting into the whole of reality, this is the interconectedness of all things. The body melts into its place in Earth and in the cosmos. These are the first stages of trancendance, in my experience.

If you wonder why you didn't have hallucinations, hallucinations happen when the body becomes immobile, once it can't function (and generally totally disappears.) Deep visions are like a little death; they generally happen when you abandon your humanness totally and can not interact with the world any further at all. Retreating into the psyche, one finds other worlds there. This is how deep visions occur. Deep visions can go so far as to the beginning of existence itself; total emptiness and eternal silence. The psyche goes into its place in existence.

I will, but I have mixed feelings. I was shown a lot of high level stuff, so in order to top it off, I would have to take another high dose again. I want to retain balance where I take them in a spiritual way to explore.
When I say hallucinations, I mean senses not making sense anymore. Seeing funny visuals and such.
In terms of vision, I had this experience:
Quote:
The enlightenment cafe / heavenly terrace
This was the peak of my trip. I have real physical memory of walking up the stairs but it is EXTREMELY DREAM-LIKE! Landscape looks a bit different. It's not the same plants and bushes, it's more like beautiful trees, flowers and all the good stuff you can create visually. I get a strange sense that I planted them.
There was 2 stairs to the camp, left and right. I took the left stairs, but I remember entering the lodge from the right. So there is some confusion about the details and it makes me wonder whether it was out of body experience. I don't recall anything after the peak experience, that's where it all ended. I had experienced similar euphoric high during an out of body-experience (while sleeping), where last moments are just pure intensifying joy.
So I walk to the fireside. People seem different now and so does the area. I'm hit with this high energy.
In my own words, it feels like the people there are fully transcended beings who have awakened from the dream and await for others there. That's why I call it the enlightenment cafe. Reality was all a dream. You just had to wake up. It gets a bit emotional for me here to describe the experience.
Pure joy hits me as I see these people. It's like a heavenly terrace and they await me there with a trophy.
 
FranLover
#6 Posted : 2/9/2020 11:53:13 AM

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Oh I see, I understand what you are saying. Very nice. I'm glad you got to experience this. The experience grants valueable insight. Hope you can have a fine follow up trip to possibly further your knowledge of these amazing phenomena. Do consider mescaline/DMT, to shake things up. For what you have discovered the wise of the past have used the analogy of the snake in the string; https://youtu.be/QURJ-T4hONQ
Todo lo que quiero es que me recuerdes siempre así...amándote. Mantay kuna kayadidididi~~Ayahuasca shamudididi. Silence โ—‹ Shiva โ—‡ eternal Purusha.
What we have done is establish the rule of authority in silence. Silence is the administrator of the universe. In silence is the script of Natural Law, eternally guiding the destiny of everyone. The Joy of Giving โ™กSee the job. Do the job. Stay out of the misery.โ™ก
May this world be established with a sense of well-being and happiness. May all beings in all worlds be blessed with peace, contentment, and freedom.
This mass of stress visible in the here & now has sensuality for its reason, sensuality for its source, sensuality for its cause, the reason being simply sensuality.
 
nomorefear
#7 Posted : 2/9/2020 6:47:47 PM
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FranLover wrote:
Oh I see, I understand what you are saying. Very nice. I'm glad you got to experience this. The experience grants valueable insight. Hope you can have a fine follow up trip to possibly further your knowledge of these amazing phenomena. Do consider mescaline/DMT, to shake things up. For what you have discovered the wise of the past have used the analogy of the snake in the string; https://youtu.be/QURJ-T4hONQ

Thank you. You're the first one to suggest the vedic model as description for what I experienced.
I think I need to explore these vedic ideas of "all is consciousness". Last year I was hardcore buddhist and a truth-seeker for the absolute. I ignored all small phenomena and was only interested in Nibbana or Brahman-state.

"Cosmic consciousness". From:
http://sivanandaonline.o...tion&section_id=1727

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This exalted, blissful experience comes through intuition or Samadhi. The lower mind is withdrawn from the external, objective world. The senses are abstracted in the mind. The individual mind becomes one with the cosmic mind or Hiranyagarbha or the Oversoul, the Soul of the Universe, the one common thread-soul or Sutratma. The function of the intellect, the objective mind and the senses are suspended.

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This new experience bestows new enlightenment which places the experiencer on a new plane of existence. There is an indescribable feeling of elation and indescribable joy and Bliss. He experiences a sense of universality, a Consciousness of Eternal Life. It is not a mere conviction. He actually feels it. He gets the eye Celestial.

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The Jivahood has gone now. The little โ€˜I' has melted. The differentiating mind that splits up has vanished. All barriers, all sense of duality, differences, separateness have disappeared. There is no idea of time and space. There is only eternity.

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He has the feeling of Apta-Kama (one who has obtained all that he desires). He feels, "There is nothing more to be known by me."

Big check for this one. I felt this way even after coming back from the trip.

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He who has cosmic consciousness feels that the universe is all his. He is one with the Supreme Lord. He is one with the Universal knowledge and Life. He experiences bliss and joy beyond understanding and description. In the moment of illumination or great spiritual exaltation he has the actual divine universal vision. He is conscious of being in the presence of God. He sees the light of God's countenance. He is lifted above the ordinary plane of consciousness. He reaches a higher state of consciousness. He has a cosmic or universal understanding. He has developed the cosmic sense. The human soul is revolutionised.

I don't agree with this level and did not experience most of these. But it could be my background and belief system. I still hold on to the subjective experiencer-view. I'm not a big believer in one-ness based on my own experience.
One consciousness sure, but I believe we all experience it individually.

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He does not worry about death or future, about what may come after the cessation of the life of the present body. He is one with Eternity, Infinity and Immortality!

I agree with this one. I didn't think death was possible in this state.

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During illumination the floodgate of joy breaks. The Yogi is inundated with waves of indescribable ecstasy. Bliss, Immortality, Eternity, Truth, Divine Love become the core of his being, the essence of his life, the only possible reality.

I had moment of intense joy, but could be normal with shrooms. The controller part of the ego totally broke down and couldn't resist this joy.
 
FranLover
#8 Posted : 2/10/2020 2:16:37 AM

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nomorefear wrote:

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He who has cosmic consciousness feels that the universe is all his. He is one with the Supreme Lord. He is one with the Universal knowledge and Life. He experiences bliss and joy beyond understanding and description. In the moment of illumination or great spiritual exaltation he has the actual divine universal vision. He is conscious of being in the presence of God. He sees the light of God's countenance. He is lifted above the ordinary plane of consciousness. He reaches a higher state of consciousness. He has a cosmic or universal understanding. He has developed the cosmic sense. The human soul is revolutionised.


I don't agree with this level and did not experience most of these. But it could be my background and belief system. I still hold on to the subjective experiencer-view. I'm not a big believer in one-ness based on my own experience.
One consciousness sure, but I believe we all experience it individually.


In my experience, the deep deep, unfathomable DMT flash is where you go into this, never shrooms.


Todo lo que quiero es que me recuerdes siempre así...amándote. Mantay kuna kayadidididi~~Ayahuasca shamudididi. Silence โ—‹ Shiva โ—‡ eternal Purusha.
What we have done is establish the rule of authority in silence. Silence is the administrator of the universe. In silence is the script of Natural Law, eternally guiding the destiny of everyone. The Joy of Giving โ™กSee the job. Do the job. Stay out of the misery.โ™ก
May this world be established with a sense of well-being and happiness. May all beings in all worlds be blessed with peace, contentment, and freedom.
This mass of stress visible in the here & now has sensuality for its reason, sensuality for its source, sensuality for its cause, the reason being simply sensuality.
 
 
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