SWIM has never taken DMT but once on lsd, he noticed some peculiar red, box-like things that had tiny heads protruding from their square bodies and small horn-like structures protruding from their heads. They traveled in a group of 5 or 6 and made strange metallic-like noises in movement. They had short rectangular appendages resembling arms and legs. They didn't interact with SWIM but when SWIM was listening to Terrence McKenna's description of DMT-elves as "machine-like," this is what instantly popped into his head.

What do you think? Did SWIM have an encounter with the elves? Or was this something trivial?

SWIM knows it's different for everyone, but if you could summarize what a DMT "elf" or "entity" looks like in a paragraph, how would you do it?

it looks like an elf!!!

LOL brother, that looks like a red oven.
I haven't taken DMT but I'm pretty sure that what you saw was no hyperspatial being.

How did you manage to have that kind of visions on "LSD" anyway?

Best wishes

The whole "elf" thing is just a McKenna-metaphor, trying to put words around something that is truly 100% unexplainable with our current language & descriptions.
(a McKenna-phore? he had plenty of them!)

"Elves" were just McKenna's way of describing it in words, for some reason, it became a kind of common description.
Although as far as I'm concerned, it does not really do it any justice at all....the experience is so much more than simply "elves"!!
For me, the purposeful geometry of the objects & entities are so perfect, detailed & deep....to call them "elves" is a bit of an insult.

It's so 100% alien to our normal way of consciousness, so you really have to experience it to even get the slightest understanding of the effects...especially the "contact" with other seemingly intelligent entities!!

LSD is a drug...it feels like a chemical effecting your body & thoughts.
DMT feels so natural...not like any drug I've ever experienced, but instead like you are removing certain barriers, or doorways that are normally closed off to our consciousness.
My thought process stays pretty much the same...save the absolute awe & humility in the face of the universe.


DMT is more of a key, to the door leading outside...to another entire reality (maybe many reality's).
LSD is like only looking through the peep-hole in that door.

It is also extremely rare to experience the same exact thing twice with DMT, much less experience the same thing as someone else.

There is no way for anyone else to know what you saw on LSD, but chances are it was nothing like what you will experience with DMT.

Best thing you can do is to not expect to see "elves" or anything else for that matter...instead, just observe what you can & make your own decision on what you feel it may be.
And it may take a few times before you make any "contact"...on the other hand, they might overwhelm you the first time!
Just don't expect to see Terrence McKenna's explanation of the unexplainable...that will only lead to disappointment.


Cheers
WS

ok, but an elf is anything from ..................... to

SWIM was merely wondering what specific people had experienced.



Haha, indeed. SWIM was sitting on the street curb, looking into the distance, and he saw and heard, as clear as day, a group of those distinct red things moving across the street. As they moved mechanically, they produced noises of unpleasantly clashing metal. Not sure how ... they didn't last too long either.

i dont know about you guys..but i actually DO see elves...like...skinny dancing acrobatic creatures with the elf hat and everything...they usually dance on what they create throughout the trip

the dancing elves are usually there during one of the funhouse type trips..when they are super excited to see me..usually with cool music playing...and they dance around in front of me as a go through the fun house...and yes elves such as this


http://www.funny-games.b...tures/1244-hot-elves.jpg

http://www.goodfriendsan...ee_7470-04_Green_Elf.jpg

Ah, words of wisdom.

2 weeks ago I came face to face with a full on robot..it had a head that was somewaht similar tot he robot in the movie Short Circuit..

I also see this female pixie/angel type of being often with full spectrum jurmea spice..she is so beautiful and pure..so innocent..

I have met female beings of light with psilocybin as well, they were like pixies and sang to me the work in which I am to do on this planet.

My experiences with DMT are just so much more heavy & serious than that...the "entities" I've experienced have never in any way, shape, or form resembled anything human-like, or "elf-like".
For me, it's always a form that is gigantic, multi-colored, geometric & undulating into & out of itself...sometimes it seems as if it's showing off it's infinite power, intelligence & love to me, like a display of what is possible.

Never anything as trivial as dancing & playing...there's work to be done!
At least that's how it has always come across for me.
Like I said, it is different for everyone!


WS

"For me, it's always a form that is gigantic, multi-colored, geometric & undulating into & out of itself"

I think I sort of know what you mean..Often I actaully merge and become one with this immense grid..it's like an ever repeating pattern similar to the flower of life..it seems to be alive..like intelligent and soooo much more than any one single individual..

i wouldnt call meeting elves trivial...whats wrong with dancing and playing...perhaps they were happy that i learned something and were giving me a treat! ive had many explosively serious trips...to get 'rewarded' with giggles and laughter...there is nothing like giggles and laughter to soothe the soul...

when things start to get TOOO serious..i think you start missing the point of being alive


i mean..ive had dmt experiences when i see millions of cartoon elves fucking each other...smiling and laughing...ive seen liquid come out of thousands of boobs....ive been taken on a ride through the funhouse as a gift..

then i have also seen creatures eating the brains of other creatures...and skeleton bones melting together in black liquid...i have become a virus that swept through the universe consuming everything...i have been beaten...

i have gone to a place where i helped program an energy packet that would help me along my journey...i have been put through fire as a cleanser and initiator...i have been asked to stay..i have met soul mates...i have seen my children...


hyperspace is EVERYTHING...its hell..and heaven...its funny and serious....its death and life...

just because you see elves dancing on music you have created yourself..and they are sooo damn excited that you brought it with you for them to listen to..doesnt mean its trivial or a waste of time...this is a give and take relationship...they give me things..and i give them things....sometimes im ecstatic from their gifts...and they have been ecstatic from mine....

I think that nothing beats laughter...I love those trips that end in cosmic giggles. It's a recalibration

I didn't mean that as anything negative, just that my DMT experiences have never been anything remotely similar to our normal conscious reality.

They always come on with a purpose & intent...I can dance & play around in this world.


WS

i understand that WS...but i guess ive seen MANY things that were VERY reality based...ive been into homes with people living in them...ive been on the surface of other planets...i see PEOPLE...i see my family and friends...all easily identifiable...i can see the clothes they wear...and the expression on their faces...ive been taken into temples..guided by PEOPLE...

some of the experiences have been like...being absorbed by hyperspace..but a lot of them i am in a physical like space..with a body..i have even been given a ROOM and my own temple to visit...its very interesting!!!

for me they appear most often in full human size and shape, usually pure black, and i very often get the feeling(real physical sensation) that they are touching me in some way.
On full jungle spice once they were of all sizes and rather grotesque(like from that faeries book) and textured(basically preddy damn real) and in my open eyed visual field(i could even focus on details on them and one was larger than me and im 6'4" tall)

what does a dmt elf look like?



once upon the time....there was an old man climbing on a high mountain. and there he met "the elves".



and he walked back down and told his people:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol (picture/image/reflexion...) in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below (from IT...)."
exodus 20

foolish old man...

Yea, there is sometimes this vast room....that I'm part of, but at the same time located inside of...then the flood of them comes & permeates every atom of my being. They are everywhere, they are everything...but they are in no way resembling anything from my physical reality.


So many variations on the theme huh?
This has always led me to believe that what we are experiencing is a larger part of ourselves....not magic.


WS

"This has always led me to believe that we are experiencing a larger part of ourselves." been thinking this too lately.

WTF is SWIM? You sound so retarded...



What en egotistical fuck... That's all I can say.

Great forum I can see.