Introduction





Disclaimer and chart are borrowed form the DMT vaping thread, which contains important information about dosage. Know your dosage! You can read the thread here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...42&f=44&q=364119

The direct e-mesh method for vaping spice, is in my humble opinion the safest and most effective way to enter hyperspace in one hit. No need for a second hit, as you can empty a breakthrough dose in about 5 seconds. It delivers smooth vapor, and no burned taste or smell with the correct temperature settings. With the e-mesh method you can breakthrough every time with a minimal use of spice. I haven’t used the GVG since April, as I find this method of administration more effective and safer if you travel without a sitter. (No torch lighter)
This tek is inspired by the initial mesh thread by Aum Shanti, which uses a more advanced setup.
You can read Aum Shanti’s posts here:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=974071#post974071

The e-mesh method has a long thread discussing details here : https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=87004.

Some One's e-mesh howto:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=87672

Thanks to all the good people who have participated to develop the e-mesh method, giving advice and feedback to the original thread. Special thanks to Aum Shanti & Some One.
This method is perfect for those who want a one hit breakthrough. I would advice to use a scale measuring your amount of spice, because if you do a bit too much, it will hit hard. Personally I am gone for 5-9 minutes on 25mg, so thread carefully and scale your dose.

1. Equipment needed:
1. An e-cigarette battery mod with temperature for SS (stainless steel) and manual TCR (Temperature Coefficient of Resistance, see https://vaping360.com/learn/temperature-control/ for more info). Vaporesso and Geekvape are recommended quality brands with good temp control.
2. An e-cigarette mesh RDA – Rebuildable Dripper Atomizer https://www.wish.com/search/mesh%20rda
The vandyvape mesh has a bit wider post holes for the mesh, so you can get a bigger mesh piece inside. The first vandy vape mesh rda is a bit hard to find these days, so the V2 might be the best option. You can still find cheap clones on Wish, which will do the job.
If you want quality, order the V2 from a vape shop.
3. Mesh SS sheet or roll. I find the 100 microns size perfect (sheet). The vandy vape SS 150 rolls are also good.
4. Rechargeable battery of good quality, if needed in the mod. Some mods have built-in batteries, others use an external battery.
5. Battery charger if necessary.
6. A longer drip tip to avoid burning lips and hot vapor is better, but not a must. https://www.google.com/search?q=810+long+drip+tip

I recommend the Geekvape M100 mod, which I use myself. A robust and lightweight mod with very good temp control. This one has a built inn battery, so no external battery needed. You can buy or order this from any proper vape shop.
Mesh sheets are cheap on ebay. With a fitted sheet you will get more surface, and I find it is easier to load the spice with this than the roll sheets without spilling.

2. Fitting and mounting the mesh.

These parameters are suited for the vandy vape mesh rda v1. If you have an other rda than this one, you might need to adjust the mesh size to fit your RDA.

Mesh Roll:
If you choose to use the vandy vape mesh roll, the mounting is pretty straight forward.
1. Cut a piece of the roll 4cm long.
2. You want to bend the mesh so it fits the post and to get a surface area as big as possible for the spice.
3. Bend it in a mushroom form, so the flat surface on top are made wider, as wide as round you can get it, without the mesh touching the top cap or the base.
4. No hard bends, try to curve the mesh bends, see image.
5. Open the post holes with the screwdriver and insert the mesh ends and fasten tight.
6. When you mount the mesh RDA on the mod, the ohm/resistance should read between 0,20-0,30 on the mod’s display with a 4cm long mesh strip from the vandy vape SS 150 roll.
7. Max wattage should be set to 35w or higher.

The loading of spice is a lot more tricky with this setup, as the mesh is thin and flumsy. The fitted mesh is so much more practical to use when loading spice. See next chapter.



Fitted mesh:
The better alternative is the fitted mesh. Thicker, rigid , more surface and ‘fences’ makes it a lot more easier to load spice without spilling.
1. Use scissors and cut a sheet about 2.5cm wide and 4cm long. Trim some of the ends sides, so they fit into the post holes.
2. Use the scissors and form the mesh so it looks like the cross on the image. The wide part off the mesh should fit the cap. 'About 1.4 - 1.5 cm long
3. Bend the sides int he cross upwards as fences, to better keep the spice in the middle when loading. Then bend the ends to fit into the post holes.
4. Fasten the legs in the holes, and check that the mounted mesh fits into the top cap, without touching it or the rda base.
5. The mesh should only be in contact with the post holes and nothing else. Form the mesh, and cut the legs so the mesh fits inside the top cap without touching it.

The mesh sheet I got is SS304, not SS316 as the mesh rolls. SS304 has a higher TCR than SS316, so it is better to use the TCR mode, and set TCR to 130-180. Start at 130 and work your way up if you don't get enough heat. Resistance should be around 0,10-0,20 ohm. With lower resistance and more metal, the max wattage must be a lot higher than the roll mesh strips. I set mine at max 60w.



When you are done setting up the mesh, set the temperature to 240-250C and pulse the fire button holding 1-2 seconds. The mesh should glow evenly without hotspots. Heat it up a few times to be sure that eventual residue are burnt away.

NB! It is very important that the mesh is NOT touching the top cap or bottom, except the post holes!

Image: The mesh roll and fitted mesh setups side by side glowing away any residue. As you can see the fitted mesh has about 50% more surface and coarser mesh.





3. Finding the correct Mod settings – TCR, max temperature and max wattage.
I will use the geekvape aegis solo settings as an example. If you have another mod, adjust it to the same settings.
For the mesh roll mesh, you can use the standard SS temperature mode. Set the initial settings to:

1. Mount the mesh RDA on the mod, check resistance.
2. Set the aegis/mod in wattage mode and set to 13-14w.
3. Remove the RDA top cap and bring the mod and RDA to a dark room.
4. When you press the fire button, the mesh should glow faintly red or dark orange in a dark room.
5. Adjust the wattage up or down until the mesh glows faintly red. This is the wattage you should aim for in temperature mode when firing. See line 11.
6. Enter Temperature mode SS or TCR on the mod.
7. Mesh Roll: Max wattage 35w, SS mode
8. Fitted mesh: Max wattage 60w, TCR mode - set TCR to 130-190.
9. Lock the resistance/ohm when the mesh is at room temperature.
10. Set the temperature to 200C
11. Push the fire button. Adjust temperature up and down until the wattage stabilises at the value found in line 5.

Since each setup is different, you might need to experiment with the temperature and if necessary the TCR to find the optimal settings. Normally somewhere between the 190-210C range should be optimal.


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If you can’t get the temp settings to work properly, you can try wattage mode at 15-20w, depending of how hard you draw and the airflow. But temp control is better if you find the correct configuration. In temp mode, the temperature is constant while the wattage varies with the airflow and inhalation method. With more air cooling the mesh when inhaling, the higher wattage will be delivered in order to hold the temperature level.

4. Getting ready for hyperspace
For me, a treshold doses would be around 5-10mg, visuals at 10-15mg, hyperspace 20-30mg. Never done more than 30 with this method, and I don't see the need too. NB! Please DO NOT load 50+mg if you are used to smoke spice. This method is a lot more effective, and 50mg is a heroic dose. There is no looking back with the e-mesh so travel safe, start low and increase step by step.

For a full breakthrough dose, weigh up 20-35mg (Start with 20mg) and carefully spread it on the mesh surface , without touching the mesh. For easy transfer of DMT to mesh, I use the half of a capsule, whick is also convenient when you weigh the dose onthe scale. If you touch the mesh with your tool, spice will be spilled, so be careful. A dab tool is perfect for this job. Some people find it easier to load the spice and melt it in in 3 turns (Vandy vape mesh roll strips.)
When the spice are evenly spread on the mesh, set the temp to 140-150C and do some fast clicks on the fire button to melt the spice onto the mesh. You don’t want to inhale crystals!
When done, set the temperature to the correct value as found in chapter 3. (Faint red glow in a dark room)
Adjust the RDA airflow to be half open. The airflow holes should be placed so they are on line with the mesh posts/legs on both sides.
Mount the top cap, and you are ready to go.

When ready, hold the fire button and start inhaling as long as you can. Remember to hold the mod/rda vertically when vaping so the melted spice stays on the mesh until emptied. You should empty the whole dose in one hit. Hold breath for at least 20 seconds, longer if you can. A second hit shouldn’t be necessary, but if you suspect you didn’t get all in the first hit, take another.

https://i.ibb.co/Lz3TdV9...20190501-192631925-2.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hd47sTp/mesh-roll-melted.jpg
(The wotofo profile with mesh roll strip, 30mg before and after melting of spice)

https://i.ibb.co/nwWkHDf/IMG-20191216-201151.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/p4fhs0G/IMG-20191216-201309.jpg
Vandyvape mesh, 25mg spice on fitted mesh, Before and after melting.

Here is a short video demonstrating 30mg vaporized in about 5 seconds on the fitted mesh:




5. Cleaning and maintenance
After you come back for landing, you should clean the mesh by holding the fire button to clear any leftovers or residue on the mesh. The mesh will last for many rounds of vaping and is cheap and easy to replace when needed.
Spice can be spilled into the RDA bottom. This should be easy to gather by holding the RDA upside down and scrape off the leftovers.
If you need to clean the RDA, just use plain water, or vinegar + water.

Safe travels 🖖

Propello, great write up!

I deleted my own thread and moved it into this post to keep the info together

Description:
Mesh RDA atomizers (connectable to e-sig modboxes) originally used for dripping e-juice are one of the best methods to vape DMT. Advantages: no learning curve, one hit break through, very consistent, perfect vaporization, near tasteless, no dmt smell. The downside is you need some basic e-cigarette understanding, but this is quickly learned.

Aum_Shanti's original posts:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=894290#post894290
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=907725#post907725
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=974071#post974071

Propello's original post:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=980840#post980840

General discussion:
The direct e-mesh thread

Equipment:
- Mesh RDA (Rebuildable Dripper Atomizer)
- 75W (or higher) sub-ohm Modbox with TC (temp control)
- IMR 18650 2600 mAh 3.7 V battery (40 A max discharge)
- SS316 (or SS304) 100, 120 or (max) 150 micron mesh sheet
- optional: glass drip tip with a 510 or 810 connection (depending on the RDA)

Note: Don't use e-juice or cotton wicks as originally intended for e-juice mesh vaping.



A modbox with a good TC algorithm giving a stable temperature is a must. A poor TC modbox will pulse the temp up and down, raising and dropping it. It needs to stay constant. The Geek Vape Box Aegis Solo 100W modbx has excellent TC and is the preferred choice.

For the Mesh RDA the VandyVape, Vapefly and Wotofo are good brand options. You might not be able to find all of these easily anymore as mesh RDA's are disappearing from the market (insufficient demand from e-juice vapers). There are plenty of knock offs and cheap mesh RDA alternatives on the Chinese market which can be ordered from Aliexpress etc.

VandyVape sells 13mm wide mesh rolls, get the SS316L 0.9ohm/ft 150 version. Buying a 100 or 120 micron filter sheet is better. The thicker wires help vape the DMT faster and you can cut it wider so there is less spilling on your RDA while loading spice.

A drip tip lengthens the distance to the mesh, cooling the vapor.

Device settings:
- temperature control mode @ 190-210 °C
- manual TCR 090-110 with 35W limit for a 4cm long SS316 mesh
- manual TCR 090-110 with 60W limit for a 8cm long SS316 mesh
- manual TCR 140-160 with 60W limit for a 4cm long SS304 mesh
- manual TCR 140-160 with 60W limit for a 8cm long SS304 mesh

The 4cm lengths are for vertical loading, 8cm for horizontal with a custom steel extension.

If manual TCR is not available try the SS (stainless steel) preset. In this preset the TCR value is per-configured by the modbox manufacturer. You may need to adjust temp for compensation as the per-configured value varies per brand and device.

If you are not sure what temp settings to use, check that the mesh glows dimly red in a dark room, that's the correct temp you need. This glow test only works for 4cm long meshes, not 8cm long ones.

If your modbox doesn't have TC, or if TC works poorly (temp fluctuations) try direct Wattage mode at around 17-22W. For Wattage mode use inhalation speed to control the temp. If the vapor becomes too dense inhale faster to cool the air, or pulse the fire button.

Below is the reference data to check that your modbox displays the correct mesh resistance.
If the mesh resistance measurement by your modbox is wrong, the temperature will be wrong.

4cm long SS316 VanyVape mesh role (13 mm wide) SS316 150 mesh: 0.20-0.25 Ω
8cm long SS316 VanyVape mesh role (13 mm wide) SS316 150 mesh: 0.40-0.50 Ω
4cm long SS304 100 mesh: 0.10-0.20 Ω

Preparation:
- cut the bottom sides of the mesh wire to fit in the RDA holes
- burn the mesh coating clean prior use with a torch flame (or gas stove)
- install mesh in the RDA, set the correct settings (TCR and max W)
- check the resistance, if correct (see above) lock it at room temp
- fire at 275 °C for 10 sec to make sure the mesh is burned clean

Usage:
- load the spice on the mesh, don't go over 30mg as this device is very efficient
- carefully pulse to melt it in (at lower temp eg. 100 °C)
- place the cap on the RDA and open the air holes 75-100%
- set the vape temp, press fire and inhale (strong enough, not too soft)
- you should get everything in within 10 sec
- hold your breath for as long as you can remember (hehe)

Instead of loading the full dose in one go, you can load 10mg, melt in and repeat. It takes some effort and care not to spill any DMT on the RDA. Preferably buy a 100 or 120 mesh screen and either cut it wide to load spice vertically, or cut it longer to load spice horizontally. For the last option you need to build a custom extension (see below) as the mesh wont fit in the RDA anymore.

Long mesh RDA upgrade:
For me a 8 cm long mesh (total length) inside a 7 cm long (could be shorter) and 22 mm OD (outer diameter) steel extension does the job. It fits inside the original VanyVape RDA casing (outer shell). I engraved a cut for an o-ring into it (using the one from the VV RDA kit) and made two air holes. I then taped the original VV RDA cap on top and placed an additional 510 glass drip tip on top of that for nice cool vapor. It works fine, but I'd prefer the steel to be glass for see-through, maybe a future upgrade.

Thanks mate. Let me know if there is anything wrong or forgotten.

I have linked your thread here, and in the first post in the long thread.

Cheers.

I moved my thread into this topic (post above).

Some quotes of people's first e-mesh reactions from the main discussion post:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=87004

This ought to be stickied. Very impressed with the work you guys have put into the development of this roa. I admire your devotion.

I an so grateful to have found this site, and I have learned so much from this forum, so wish to give something back to the society, and hope this tek can be of some help to others.

Thanks for the kind words Tony 🖖

I totally feel you, brother! I hope some day, I can give back!

Thank you again!

I second that

Thanks for the feedback Teamleary & Skooby. Let me know if there's any typos or crappy language. English is not my native language

Thanks Propello and all involved in sharing and developing this method.
Great effort all round, and agreed this defo deserves a sticky.

Thx Jega

I have BTW edited a whole lot, especially chapter 3. Hope this will make it easier for the society.

Great job!

This is fucking great work guys :-D
Steffen335's build could maybe be added for a great addition to the different setups thus far. His see-through solution with the glass connector is excellent.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...mp;m=1029299#post1029299

It's a great tool, deserves the attention

After a failed nebulizer experiment I am all-in on e-mesh vaping!

Steffen335 can't post here yet. I quoted his info and attached his pictures in case they disappear from imgur.

Great info here!

Peace

I have zero experience with these vaping mods, and found this discussion very informative. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share such great information!

I do have one question: can mods like the Aegis Solo also be used for vaping cannabis (separate from the spice, of course)? I'm a little hesitant to spend nearly $100 on a vape setup for spice that I would only use on occasion. However, if these setups could do double-duty as cannabis vaporizers it would help justify spending the money on the premium components. Thanks for any input.

There is plenty dry herbs and wax atomizers available.
E-nails with rig glass attachments are also available for home vaping.
I haven't tried dry herbs on these atomizers
, but they are super with oil/wax.

The setup for e mesh shouldn't cost you more than 50-60 usd

https://vaping360.com/be...anks/dry-herb-atomizers/

https://m.dhgate.com/pro...l-wax-dry/407244656.html

Thank you Propello for the information. I figured these rigs would work well with cannabis oil/wax, but I didn't realize that they made the accessories you linked to.

When I search the web for vape mods and other accessories, I see dozens of online retailers that I have no knowledge of. I am no stranger to ordering items online, but not knowing anything about these companies make me a little nervous. Can anyone recommend their favorite go-to online vape retailers (in the USA)? Thanks again for helping me explore this exciting ROA.