I think it’s safe to say do we know how far these dimensions reflect what the Mayans taught and so on , I actually think they are of the same origin.... it isn’t “hyperspace” at all.... For example The Jains call these Lokas and Talas and the Mayans have these labelled as Patcha’s and usually categorised as 3 layers of existence that house many metaphysical planes of reality... the central vault usually being all visible light within the electromagnetic spectrum , animals , plants and trees etc etc everyday existence... we shouldn’t separate the dmt experience as something different , the extension of perception is what’s occurring

It’s seems as though some nexians don’t have a clue about ancient cosmology, well nor did I and so we can all Certainly benifit starting somewhere , I feel if one is to try to understand entheogens in general , one must study the scripture that is not of Emperor Constantine or any other misled orthodoxy of control....

Key interests of mine are in no order of time -

The cosmologies of
Sumerian
Zoroastrianism
Gnosticism/Catharism (not to be confused with catholicism)
Jewish Sage Mysticism
Vedic India (Hinduism, Jainism)
Mayan
Hopi
Egyptian
Greek (Eleusinian Mysteries) hallu-sinian ;-)
Norse
Phoenician
Islamic Mysticism

And any other symbolical correlating themes before any plagiarism happened
Please add
Those crusader that forced others by the sword is of dark agenda , we could say originality of the church became infiltrated
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Anyways -
Perception expansion..... there seems to be a fair amount that trip and think it’s only fabricated of own mind... I see this as destructive to the facts of the matter
But some people hate what they can’t understand , I for one hate YouTube videos of dmt experiences , people should have no expectations here.... For example one sees a clown like entity and then label it as a jester because it’s all they have to go by , - - ideological bandwagons won’t serve us , when for example if one had some research of the many different deities you may know which one it is... saying this I can’t say I’ve seen such a thing.... but research wise I have seen a Mayan motif that looks very jester like and clearly entheogenic inspired....
what you then have to take in account is how far were some of these people going and what were they learning u see the guidance of their entheogenic symbiont - an example could be - why build such precise pyramidal tombs ,you can see how far it goes and what is actually possible outside of our everyday dimension , what did they know , the intention is clear and we shouldn’t take it for granted , and these experiences should be taken very seriously.... true nature of reality is not only stranger than you suppose , but it’s more stranger than you can suppose , can’t remember who said that but it’s true ...
The fact is some ancient people on entheogens knew that by building stepped temple they could physically crossover , trust me these christ dudes were a lot more advanced in psynaughtism than we could ever conceive of , they took the word ‘shaman’ to whole new lengths, things we think totally impossible are actually possible ,
Trust me we are not the first to encounter “hyperspace” , the ancients we’re doing more in these spaces than we could ever dream of possible and they pritty much are of the same origin ... Accept it was with the Cubensis mushroom primarily , Psilocybin is pritty much oral active dmt , some of you forget that

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Saying all that ,

I thought I would share some information that may give people a platform and ground to base on

http://psychedelic-infor...ory.com/ebook/index.htm

https://www.academia.edu..._Tools?source=swp_share

https://www.academia.edu...iences?source=swp_share

https://www.academia.edu...Review?source=swp_share

https://www.academia.edu...Ritual?source=swp_share

https://www.academia.edu...gs_of_Egyptian_religion

https://www.academia.edu...t_Peru?source=swp_share

https://www.academia.edu...bensis?source=swp_share

https://www.academia.edu...hology?source=swp_share

https://www.academia.edu...f_time?source=swp_share

https://ideasolar.wordpr...-of-god-by-gary-osborn/
Entire Thalamus , pineal is just one part of this , like many parts that make up our eyes, pineal housed centrally within the central thalamus itself <|> the caduceus isn’t symbolised as a mere pee , it’s the entire Center that separates the two hemispheres

https://www.youtube.com/...qerRByzNYQcIlKuwVn-NLRr

https://www.youtube.com/...qepssyC51zQJGirErNQfMOU

https://www.facebook.com....php?id=100011332137464 - too much to link , but everything is contained here , it’s a profile of information , not a page to be liked or to be added....

Please share your findings and add own values

Thanks

That was a little condecending and preaching to the choir...but yep, there is a knowledge that is eternal

Haha yeh The ancient people knew a lot about this more than the AVERAGE psychedelic person today but not all I belive there are still some people around in indigenous communities AND people like use experimenting on their own that know just as much. Its just not widely shared. I would be happy to gain 25% of their knowledge! my personal belief is psychedelics can be used for communication but not always you have to have the right phone number kinda thing. I was watching something today about Egypt's pyramids (I dont belive they were tombs) but they presented the idea of a sound healing kinda thing going on. Well what if it was sound but more to induce a altered state? Then I thought hmm....What would happen if you took a bunch of lotus flower and layed down in 1 of the chambers and played different "tones" in other chambers? interesting idea complete guess tho????

Either way I have always had a interest in the past. but I will say since getting back with these "helpers" its re newed my interest...specificly Hinduism, buddism and the maya

Preaching and condescending, my apologies if it came across that way , my wording isn’t the best I have to admit , just passionate
Fair points
The tombs of the Maya specifically , water adjacent deep within Pacals , I don’t dig the whole ancient aliens approach , but more rather crafts of the mind for journey into the underworld , or others unseen to us... they seem like cross over points , but one has to self sacrifice within it to cross over into the next Lokas

As for Egypt’s , the idea of having king and queen chambers then reading scripture about how they learnt to become stars - ie sun gods creator of worlds , our sun for instance creator of the physical world , and also - it take Male and female atom to fuse helium and so on
But the concept of which you speak is also relevant because it’s overall design could have multiple use...
I reckon they were Stepped to begin with like those 3 smaller on the plateau which shows there was global correlation and interconnection , teaching from previous root races (Preflood)

More reading you may like -

https://www.samaelaunweor.org/en/mayan-mysteries

https://www.samaelaunweo...tian-mayan-relationship

https://gnosticteachings...hing-of-the-nahuas.html

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https://designconsciousn...aphysics-torus.html?m=1
http://grahamhancock.com...orum/read.php?1,1101723 - The Great Pyramid, Phi, Pi and the Speed of Light
https://sites.math.washi...du/~greenber/PiPyr.html

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https://youtu.be/1wJw1DcI2e4 - Fingerprints of the Gods

interesting you brought up root races I was just reading about that the other day! They say we are in the age of duality (2 eyes and all that) I was reading peoples thought on sub conscious (on shroomery) the other day as well and had the thought back to duality maybe at one time the "2 minds" were 1 or MAYBE they still are but we think they arent? Also had the thought when reding about the root races. maybe they left us more gifts than we know. maybe these plants were a gift so we can still communicate with them....i didnt go through all your links but i may take a look when i get some time thanks for those!

The ancient alien theory is on to something BUT they are also missing huge pieces!

Yeah that makes sense , where as before both hemispheres and the central core was unified... -|+ (Spine/Pine)

The Kali Yuga to the Vedas and Age of the 5th sun (some researchers think 4th) to the Maya cosmology...cyclic nature that start off golden and then decline , the cyclic is repeated , recreation and destruction (Cycle of Samsara in relation I guess as is the Gnostic demiurge)

https://thegr8wall.wordp...aya-philosophy-of-time/

Cycles are deffinitly true....unfortunately because as humans most of us do what we WANT not what we NEED. So when things get bad they kinda need to get REAL bad before we realize mistakes and change them!

haven't read about the 4th / 5th sun thing. Just kinda diving into all this stuff SO MUCH TO LAERN! However have you heard of the "electric universe" theory? Some of it would make so much sense and fill in the gaps that other science's have but some of it is WILD. They have this thought that Saturn was our original sun. As it approached our current sun it let off charge and became the planet we see today as the sun took in the charge re arranged the planets and took over basicly. Its wild cause well they say it happened pretty quick and with current knowledge of gravity that couldn't happen without destroying everything in the process. BUT I guess that's the whole point because what I got out of it is gravity is the "stabilizer" but if everything is charged even if they get real close (planets/stars) they will let off charge and repel like magnets. And they also say this is what happened with mars it got to close and let off charge wich made the canyons that most people think must have been made by water at one point. Its crazy theory like I said a lot makes sense but some is so hard to believe! But hey who knows. One thing I like is pics of the brain and the largest pics we have of the universe itself look amazingly similar and we know the brain can be stimulated with electricity so why not the universe itself? Are we living in the creators brain? Are we just a THOUGHT?

Interesting pointers.

Everything is electricity though , the divine spark is what keeps everything moving right ?
About the theory itself you may find some of Danny Wiltens videos useful if you haven’t already - https://youtu.be/r1wIQb8Ntl8 “Our Electric Sun is powered by the Orion Nebula Trapezium”
Touching upon that particular video further-
there’s a reason why we are within the Orion arm or the Orion Spur of the spiral galaxy , it is actually thought that the sun/star like millions more On this particular arm originated from the Orion Nebula (also happens to be the closest star forming region to us , fair assumption)

I also quite like Nassim Haramien’s work , but that’s unified field theory , which electromagnetic forces seek to create , so can’t be much different to the electric universe one... as we all know everything including us is powered by it , the only thing that isn’t fully and No longer unified is the human mind

The torsion (Torus Horus ouroboros :-)) field is said to be the metaphysical shape of the universe, everything is reflective of the greater whole , take for example the Apple , which has a core and 2 primary hemispheres , there’s your trinity , extending out from this when you add north and south , you will then have your 4 cardinal directions and so on , this is when sacred geometry comes into it , the Sri Yantra is a good rendition of the whole , as is clearly the Fibonacci sequence etc ...

Side note , you mention mars , it’s thought that Venus was once very much habitable and probably full of life when our star was young , so when our star gradually expands this kind of makes mars next in line , the correct closeness could trigger its inner dynamo like it did with earth when Venus met its end , just a thought

deffinitly going to check out the video you posted later and read more into the theory's later.

One thing they were saying is with the electric universe is the stars aren't powered by fusion alone part of the filament that created it remains to power it. I had a lovely thought (well to me anyway) if that is true then the star could ultimately stay the same for as long as that filament is there. OR it could go boom in a fraction of a second with no warning! I think we will continually Find new theory's that completely throw out old. Just cause 1 way works doesn't mean its the only way it could work. And maybe things are designed this way they change just to keep us wondering and chasing the mystery! What happends when we know everything wouldn't that be kinda boring? Well after we play with everything it would haha

The thing I didnt get about the electric thing is they said (and back it up with ancient story's) that mars sometimes would get closer to venus and sometimes closer to earth. And that is what made all the canyons when it would get closer to a planet it would let off charge creating the "scars" we see....but that would put mars between earth and Venus wich its not.

Or the universe as a whole knows we are looking and gives us what we look for but if we look in a different way it will show us something different. kinda like the double slit experiment.

Interesting thread thank you for starting it!!!

Okay so the Mayan psychonauts also saw "jesters" in "hyperspace". So? Why is their name for it more valid than ours? Why do you think that some extinct culture's interpretation of the Unknowable is better or more valid than your own, or anyone else's? Because it's more convoluted and complicated and layered in culture, religion, superstition, law, tradition?

What exactly is it that you're missing? The reverence? There's plenty of talk about these entities and experiences that acknowledge their archetypal power. Or the adherence to some religion that you feel "owns" the medicine that we're using? The medicine grows in the wild by itself. We own it as humans.

Why do you think that a Mayan psychonaut who says this entity is Huitzlipotchli or something is more right than a Roman Catholic one saying it's the Virgin Mary, or me saying it's a bluish-green fractal self-transforming machine elf lord? Just as we collectively own the medicine, we most definitely collectively own the collective subconscious.

Yes, it's interesting to read and learn about various cosmologies. However, the point of mysticism is first person experience. Of going out and meeting God and the archetypes and yourself and us all. Human explanations filtered through language, rows of translations, cultures that have nothing to do with our own, religions and the selfish needs and egos of a priesthood, and all that will only take away from the experience.