Hello, first question I followed this extraction method>

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...lkaloid_Extraction_Guide

Can I use the same method with syrian rue seeds?, how many grams of seeds would you use to do exactly the same method?
Would you change anything, such as amount of added vinegar or NaOh?
Do you get considerably more grams from syrian rue than b. caapi? I got about 4 grams with 64grams of b. caapi, however, these were wet-paste like, I didn't wait for it to dry and I used to make 2 changas right away, if dry, perhaps would have been 2 grams.

Second question: from my b. caapi extraction I ran into some problems: the precipitate was too dark. In order to see it, I had to use a flashlight to find it, then discarded the liquid, and rinsed the precipitate many times, then I added the vinegar and water, then discarded the sediment and to the water that was extracted I added the NaOH, then rinsed the precipitate many times, then filtered it through a coffee filter, and voilá.

The extract was grey in color, not yellow like the guide, is that OK?, then I used it to make changa with it, I used IPA, added the DMT as well, the DMT dissolved easily but the b. caapi extraction had difficulty dissolving. I helped the procedure by shaking the shot glass and using a knife to crush it. I put everything in a pot with hot water to speed up the procedure. It seemed it finally dissolved but don't know how good it did, haven't tried the changa I made with it.

Am I doing things fine?

he second time I did the method, I

Yes, you can use same method with syrian rue seeds, it works. Maybe one change could be that you do not need to cook rue seeds so long.

Rue seeds have much more alks (maybe 4 times more) compared to caapi.

Precipitate should be grey brown or light brown, never very dark.

Harmala freebase alkaloids do not dissolve in IPA, at best only partially. But still, it can somehow disperse in it and allow better distribution in changa blend.

I referenced elements of the one you mentioned with this one during extractions:

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...he_Tao_of_Rue_Extraction

Just follow the instructions brother-- don't try and get creative. It works.

One thing I'd mention is not to ever bother grinding rue seeds-- all the good stuff is in the exterior, and chasing a very little extra is NOT generally worth the pain in the ass of filtering ground seeds.

Thanks for your answer. Yesterday I tried the changa that I made. I smoked very little, maybe 1/15th of 1 gram and I'm not sure if it worked. I'll tell you why:

The experience felt like a light DMT dose. With a light DMT dose, I feel a tingling sensation in my body, close my eyes and see patterns and movement but mostly in white color, if I focus maybe I see colors or 'imagine' seeing colors. If I increase the dose, the patterns are no longer white but in color, and the higher the dose the more colorful, if I go higher then I don't need to keep my eyes closed to see patterns and basically everything melts. I've never done a breakthrough.

Well, with my changa, it felt like a small dose of DMT, but I felt less nauseous. It didn't last longer than DMT at all. It just felt 'comfortable' don't know if this is a changa effect or it was just too light of a dosis. However, I used b. caapi for the alkaloids and also for the herb, as well as blue lotus. Anyways, I felt or saw the silhoute of a woman telling me to pray, and love all women and give love to every woman, abuelita perhaps?
I became very emotional during this and I began crying and I called my mother to heal our differences. I thought this was a great healing effect.
In the end, I feel like maybe I didn't use enough maoi alkaloids or that they didn't blend well, like you said, they don't dissolve in IPA so I don't know how they get distributed, I've never tried changa before. Would you advice to use my current changa and put it in IPA again with the very little b. caapi alkaloids extract that I have left, put the shot glass in a pot with hot water? What do you think?

Brother, this one looks painfully complicated compared to the one for B. Caapi, can't I just use the same extraction method for the B.Caapi and subsititure with rue seeds instead?

Cappi is easy to extract. Rue has a lot of extra fats, oils and other plant matter that requires more work to separate from the harmala alkaloids.

Then I'll just keep using B. Caapi, for me, all that effort takes my motivation away.

It's a lot easier than you think-- and since you can get a whole kilo of rue seeds for the price of a hundred grams of caapi, the bang for your buck is overwhelmingly in favor of rue.

Boil, drain.
Boil, drain.

Reduce liquid.

Filter out sediment.

Add basic chem to push out the alks.

Filter crystal alks.

Dry.

Put dry alks into hot acidified and salted water.

The needle crystals will form over a short time.

Drain liquid -- keep your alks.

It's not as difficult as you think.

Seconding this. I did not attempt any working with rue for a long time due to perceived difficulty as compared to extracting DMT. However, I was wrong about that, it just takes different steps, but can be done rapidly and effectively as outlined above. And the economic feasability is undeniable. It is worth trying. It will stain and dye your c ountertops, making a basified MH/ACRB solution seem easy to clean by comparison, so you have that warning. I had difficulty explaining the neon-yellow camoflaged pattern on my countertop.

Absolutely-- and I truly love the effects of rue harmalas with vaped DMT-- I'm always disappointed that I wasted so many years using DMT without it!

I prefer saving caapi for true brewed aya with chacruna or chali-- it feels like I'm wasting vine to use for an extraction when such a cheap alternative is available.

It must be mentioned that it is far more difficult and expensive to get vine where I live-- so if it's readily available where you are then that may not be a problem for you... but caapi is a precious commodity for me.

While there is a slight difference in alk combination with caapi (because it also contains THH, which rue does not) and I know it to make a difference from use, the rue harmala combo is very rewarding.

Just take it one step at a time and you'll be surprised how easy it is--

Find the motivation. It's worth it. Or be lazy. Your call. :shrugs: