I dont really have time to delve into too much detail, and I'm not entirely sure I could explain this problem even if I had the time but here goes...

Swim did an A/B extraction on about 250g of HIGH quality MHRB. This was far from his first extraction and he has never had a problem before. He did mention that he decided to utilize an old crock-pot he had laying around and thought for sure he would have better yeilds if he let his vinegar/water pulls sit for a long period of time it before straining. He did three pulls, letting each one sit for about a week with anywhere from 3-7 hours of heat (from the crockpot) a day.

After basing with sodium hydroxide (I should probably mention that he ran out of PH strips at this point but didnt see a problem with over adding the basic solution) he pulled three time with naptha. He believes the next step is where the problem lies.

He said he always does his np pulls hot (only as hot as his tap water comes out) as he sees a significant increase in yield and also helps with the occasional emulsion. On the third pull he had a worse than usual emulsion and thought it might be a fine time to use his crockpot, after an hour or so in the pot the emulsion had cleared and he seperated the layers.

After seperation he noticed, quite to his dismay, that the np layer was tinted brownish/red. He was absolutely sure the emulsion had cleared completely and has no idea where this color had come from. Although concerned, he continued to do his freeze precip.

The end result was approx 2.5 grams of off white powder. In his previous extractions he has never ended up with anything other than snow white powder and has never had any need to clean it up, but this time was compltley different, even the texture was wrong (more crystaline and chunky than the usual fine powder he is used to). He attempted to clean this up via re-xing, and this helped alot, although not snow white it seemed more than fine for smoking.


The first few attempts at smoking went fine, but on the fourth or so he noticed a different feeling after exhaling. It was an uncomfortable feeling in his lungs almost like a cold feeling. Shortly after he noticed he was producing alot more mucus than usual and the mucus had a funny taste to it (tangy).

While all this was interesting, the most significant differences were in the experience. First off, the stuff seemed stronger, one hit took him much further from reality than normal but the effects were not the normal pleasent disconnection he was used to, it was much faster (if this makes any sense), less visual, and most significantly, WAY less benevolent. He had the distinct impression that he was in the presence of something extremely sinister. Sinister is the perfect word, the whole experience was more sinister. He actually heard someone speaking in latin (not at all fun at the time). He also attempted to describe an odd "popping" texture to the experience. Everything would move slowly and then all of a sudden pop or pull apart, he seemed rather frustrated trying to describe this.

After a few more attempts spread out over the next few weeks he noticed it was very hit and miss, sometimes he got normal DMT effects, sometimes he got the "other", and after he dropped his vial containing the DMT (cap was on thank god), he gets nothing but a combination of the two (assuming the powder got mixed together more thoroughly?). All attempts after this arent very enjoyable.

Anybody have any idea whats going on here? Many people who are familiar with DMT have tried it and all have the same reaction "Thats not DMT". The DMT is still clearly in it but he has no idea how to bring it out. It feels to him like there are two compltely different active compounds "fighting" over control of the experience. He has had great success with the same exact batch of MHRB, so that is not the problem. He has since tried re-xing again to no avail.

As I said the powder is off white but slightly chunkier than usual. Tonite he tried gently shaking the vial to bring the heavier matter to the top and dumper that out and smoked just the fine powder left on the bottom and was left with an experience that was deffinately more DMTish, this left him very upset, now realizing what is lost to him...He does not know what to do. The spice was his weekly escape, it was his five minutes of bliss in an otherwise nerve-racking and often depressing life.

Any chance of salvaging it? Or is all lost?

Sorry for the obvious poor qaulity of this post but as I said I am pressed for time (and near tears I might add), I will try to elaborate more tomorrow.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks.

I don't think there is anything wrong with your spice.
I think what you are describing, is the DMT's way of showing you that your ready to move on with it,
to move to a new level. I beleive every negative experience has good reason, and wouldn't be there if it wasn't.

Have you had any new trips since, have they been negative too?
What do you do in the way of ritualistic cleansing beforehand?

It sounds to me like some jungle spice got pulled as well. That would explain the reddish colour, and it is also stronger, and produces a different effect from pure. No problem, just something different to study.

IF some jungle got brought over... It most certainly not soluable in heptane. Do another rextal with heptane and you will be rid of any jungle.

yeah good, jungle maybe. But pure n,n freebase won't gaurentee continually positive experiences

Shoe that was my first thought, that it had just changed for me, but the past half dozen or so experiences I have had with it (and that others say something deffinately is not right with it) leaves me in doubt. I wish I could put this into words, it doesnt even feel close to DMT (I have a decent amount of experience with said compound), everything about the experience is just plain wrong.

I tried it again last night thinking that a larger dose would perhaps be better, it was not. I could not even take more than two large hits, the cold feeling in my lungs turned into outright pain. Even the taste of the smoke isn't right.

There is a post above this one titled giant DMT crystal or something along those lines. It looks to me he has the same thing I do. The original product was not only chunky and brownish, but also kind of sticky in some ares. I too used alot of heat and really shook the hell out of the jar.

And yea the experience does sound similar to what I have heard about jungle. The thought crossed my mind but I thought it was just as insoluable in naptha as heptane. I'll get some heptane tomorrow and give it a shot.

One last thing, I have some sodium carbonate laying about, would a polar wash do any good?

Thanks for the replies, I REALLY appreciate it.

can you describe the product further?

Some naptha can pull a little more than others (especially when heated) . The exact solvents and ratios vary from brand to brand. I'm not sure that what you have is jungle, but heptane will sort it out if it is.

Difficult to decribe, but is most certainly different than the spice I have had from previous extractions. One thing for sure is that it is clumping together in a way I have never seen with my spice. It is very flaky and there are more than a few large rockish chunks in it. The flakes have a waxy, kind of shiny appearance . Other than that the spice is actually quite white now. I wish I had a camera. It also does not have that strong flowery smell I am used to.

In my frustration, I broke my moderation rule last night and tried it again. During the past couple attempts I loaded the pipe with about 60mg (eyeballed) at a time and could never force my self to take more than one hit, so I knew there was quite a bit left in there and did not see the need to reload it. This was good. On the first pull it was clear there was a shitload left in the pipe, and this time I had no problem taking three massive hits and all was well. It was one of the strongest flashes I have ever had, no funny taste, no burning lungs. Just straight clean DMT.

What I am taking from all of this is that the impurity is gone in the first hit (low MP/BP?) and that perhaps there is less of it in the DMT than I orignally thought. If I can salvage it even from just drawing the first hit into my mouth without exhaling before smoking, than I can live with that until I can get some more MHRB. The only thing that gives me pause is that I am slightly concerned about possible health issues.

One more thing, the more I am thinking about it, I am pretty sure I figured out where the brownish red tint in the naptha came from. When I was doing this extraction my buchner broke (talk about upsetting), I had to resort to gravity filtration. Being impatient, I used only a single coffee filter in a funnel and my MHRB was FINELY ground. I think perhaps it was some fine particles that made thier way through and got caught up in the naptha. I don't think this is what caused the ill effects of the spice but it might explain the burning lungs, although I am not sure, I can't say that I ever smoked raw MHRB.

I ordered some Bestine last night and will deffinately give that a shot, but as I said, I think I can live with what I have. Guys, I REALLY do appreciate all the help, I've been lurking in these forums for years now and this is one of my first posts. It's rare that I have to reach out for help, I forget how wonderful it is to have all kinds of like-minded and knowedgable people just a few clicks away. And btw I am sorry for all these long posts . I will update after my Bestine arrives and I get the re-x done. In the mean time, thanks again.

Tony.

I've found with a bit of heat you can pull all sorts that has some crazy effects.

The most noticeable thing for me with red waxy spice is a mad fast onset. But I've managed to pull this stuff using only a 30 minute luke warm water bath with lots of aggressive shaking.

I had no idea it was common to pull out anything other than the DMT, and yea thats what I heard about jungle...it hits you like a ton of bricks. The contaminated spice I have does not do this, it is actually a much slower and gentler comeup than pure spice (the comeup is the only thing gentle about this experience).

All this talk about jungle has inspired me to try and pull some, I figure I can compare it to the DMT I have and see if thats the possible contaminant. I had the soup left from my last extraction and did one xylene pull. The xylene is piss yellow, I'm assuming this is good. The only problem I have with it is that I have no idea how to go about evaporating the xylene. The stuffs takes forever and smells like death. As much as I am looking foward to giving it a shot.....well.....lymphoma kills people. Normally I would just put it outside and forget about it for a week (and pick the bugs out later....), but it has been snowing like hell up here recently. Any forseeable problems letting the jungle sit in the xylene until spring? I would kill for a rotovap.

Close off the room that you do this in, Open all the windows and lay a towel along the bottom of the door. Then set up an electric fan heater pointing at the xylene tray (some people will likely cite the increased risk of fire, but unless there is any open flame you should be fine.) Its not like the room is filling with hot flammable vapour. (make sure you open the windows.)
You might also want to get another non-heated fan blowing at the tray too,
like this you should have evaporated a 100ml pull within ... 2 hours tops.

I got an idea. I am going to poke two holes in the jar lid and feed two tubes through the holes, one connected to an aqaurium air bubbler, and the other leading out a window. The only problem is that I don't have a glass gas dispersion tube that will fit on the plastic aquarium tubing that I have on hand. It does not say on the tubing what it is made of so I have no idea if the xylene will dissolve it and I am not about to take that chance. But it should still evaporate it (albeit slowly) if the tube sits an inch or so above the solution.

Shoe, I would, but we have been having a bad cold spell up here the past few days, it's below zero with the wind chill. Fuel oil is just too damn expensive to be opening all the windows in a room, I don't even like the idea of cracking one just enough to fit aquarium tubing out out. But I'll deffinately be using that method in the future for evaporating nasty solvents. I always assumed doing something like that would still leave my house stinking, regardless if the room was blocked off. Thanks.

Anyone know if it would be okay sitting in the mason jar for a few more weeks if worse came to worse?

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