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Converting Harmala FB to salt form Options
 
macguyver
#1 Posted : 5/23/2022 12:06:42 PM
Fog described a tek for converting Harmala FB to salt form (for using in eliquid) in this link

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=92932

It requires benzoic acid, which I cannot buy easily in my country.
Can anyone suggest an alternative method (using things that can be bought - UK) to achieving what is written in that post?

Also:
I do have some GOLD harmala (which I extracted myself some years ago) which, from memory, I believe is the HCL form. In the link above the salt form is described as being red. What is difference between the gold and red salt forms?
 
_Trip_
Senior Member
#2 Posted : 5/23/2022 12:49:52 PM
Going off memory of the standard tek dissolve it in vinegar to water 1:3 then add salt equivalent to 100-120g per 1lt of water leave in the fridge overnight to crystalize. You have harmala hcl.

You could also dissolve it in a solvent and crash it out with an acid of choice then filter.
Wiki has a list of solvents FB harmala is soluble in, you can dissolve the FB harmala then using an acid crash it out. Citric, furmaric, hydrochloric acid, phosphoric acid, maybe sulphuric acid should crash it out so long as the harmala acid form isn't soluble in the solvent as well (most shouldn't be).
Ethyl acetate and n-Butyl acetate seem to dissolve freebase harmala well especially if the solvent is warm. Citric acid can crash it out of EA/nBA (harmala citrate is slightly sticky). Furmaric should work well and form a non sticky crystal.
Acetone and furmaric may also work?

Gold and red? Not too sure different salt forms or impurities?

Edit: Misread the e-liquid part, not sure all the salts I listed are safe for vaping.
Disclaimer: All my posts are of total fiction.

 
Jees
#3 Posted : 5/23/2022 3:29:50 PM
macguyver wrote:
Fog described a tek for converting Harmala FB to salt form (for using in eliquid) in this link

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=92932

It requires benzoic acid, which I cannot buy easily in my country.
Can anyone suggest an alternative method (using things that can be bought - UK) to achieving what is written in that post?

Also:
I do have some GOLD harmala (which I extracted myself some years ago) which, from memory, I believe is the HCL form. In the link above the salt form is described as being red. What is difference between the gold and red salt forms?
Hi,
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...traction#Step_6_-_Manske
I usually take 150 to 200gr salt per liter.
 
downwardsfromzero
ModeratorChemical expert
#4 Posted : 5/24/2022 1:01:59 AM
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...mp;m=1152287#post1152287

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...mp;m=1152286#post1152286

I'll give a couple more days for replies, then merge all the cross-posts into this thread.




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