I was going through the 'Plants that contain DMT' thread and saw this post from Dorje which, in my opinion, deserves it's own thread since he suggests that the ziziphus jujube is a source of DMT which, according to his own experience, is active orally without an MAOI. (Please correct me if I'm wrong at any point here Dorje) As for testing, Dorje made references to eating a certain amount of berries but as it stands I don't know anything more about this fruit, what toxins and nasties it may contain or if there are other alkaloids present. That's something I'll leave to the people who know what they're doing when it comes to the science side of this site and I don't encourage anyone to consume ANYTHING without prior research. Better safe than sorry folks  I don't know enough about DMT yet to actually know anything about this fruit, and I didn't find any information online myself although Dorje suggests some sources in his posting which I'll quote in full. I may be overreacting or being horribly optimistic but I thought that this was worth discussion. My apologies if this matter has been raised in another thread that I've missed! Big thanks to Dorje for posting this and then clarifying his position when asked. Dorje wrote:just consider *this* post as a press release if you will...
These ziziphus jujube do indeed contain DMT, the trip is a sharp blast into psychedellica after eating about 5-8 dates. The gums/upper palette get numb and the tongue slightly less. The visuals are visuals of clarity without the lack of motor function or cognizant reason, and a transparent light slightly distorting the eye's natural sight. The more intense visuals are experienced when more ziziphus jujube dates are eaten.
These dates have been used in mainland china and all other parts of Indo-chinese asia for centuries, and people do *indeed* report the effects, and this is considered to be a valuable medicinal supplement. Go ahead and look it up...you'll find it associated with Qi, and the whole bit of niche healing arts...The quote of bulk end dates are freeze dried and are intended for soup...not the kind you will find in ...let's say the acupuncturist office...or the chinese herbal supplement store.
Take into consideration that the Chinese never had Proff. Tim leary, Ramm Dasss, or "DMT the spirit molecule (and subsequent clinical research with industry standard pharmaceutical grade DMT)." China never had a 1960's-1970's "American psychedellica" culture. I welcome all of the criticism as this is the first Chinese plant on this thread. the very first. so i leave you all at that, and will to the Chinese these Hei zao, aka Ziziphus Jujube, are not categorized into what we think of as psychedelics...
I am not making a discovery, I am just simply bridging a culture gap into a country that has a radically different thinking of psychedelics than our own. Ident is a fictional character - The stories and quoutes attributed to Ident should be treated as having no basis in reality.
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It's a fruit plant right? One-Green-World sells them... WARNING: DO NOT INGEST ANY BOTANICAL WHICH YOU HAVE NOT FULLY RESEARCHED AND CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED!!!I am Teotzlcoatl, older cousin of Quetzalcoatl. My most famous physical incarnation was Nezahualcoyotl, but I have taken many forms since the dawn of the cosmos. In this realm I manifest as multiple entities at a single time. I am many, I am numbered. I am few, but more than one. I am a multifaceted being, a winged serpent with many heads. We are Teotzlcoatl. "We Are The One's We've Been Waiting For" - Hopi Proverb
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I found THIS interesting regarding the fruit and seed Quote:The dried fruits contain saponins, triterpenoids and alkaloids[279]. They are anodyne, anticancer, pectoral, refrigerant, sedative, stomachic, styptic and tonic[4, 176, 218]. They are considered to purify the blood and aid digestion[240]. They are used internally in the treatment of a range of conditions including chronic fatigue, loss of appetite, diarrhoea, pharyngitis, bronchitis, anaemia, irritability and hysteria[176, 238, 279]. The seed contains a number of medically active compounds including saponins, triterpenes, flavonoids and alkaloids[279]. It is hypnotic, narcotic, sedative, stomachic and tonic[147, 176, 218]. It is used internally in the treatment of palpitations, insomnia, nervous exhaustion, night sweats and excessive perspiration[176, 238]. And in the comments, Quote:Ziziphus jujuba
saima kamal Sun May 29 15:07:32 2005
my comment is that 1 person done work on this and separate alkaloids from it bt it does not contain hydrocarbons.how it is possible Of interest is the claim of " 1 person" separates alkaloids not the obvious problem with english or chemistry. An extraction and assay would be quite interesting should the data not be in some other paper (I expect it is is since it is a ubiquitous food plant) Good find as various forms are hardy over a wide range. WR "It seems that everything I knew was just a lie
A love, a hope, a dream, but what is that to you?
I can hold it in while I live, but it comes out when I die
The tragedy of truth, the liberties of lies
I see three sides to the coin as I flip it past my eyes
tossed from hand to hand you choose tails and I choose side."
Jimmy Haha
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this sounds like work for the column, and some tlc plating. i have my doubts though; said plant would likely a)need a pathway to metabolize tryptophan, and b)need to express TDC and some methyltransferase enzyme "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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No DMT? Interesting, that would tally with it's being apparently active orally without an MAOI. Thanks for that link, some interesting reading! Ident is a fictional character - The stories and quoutes attributed to Ident should be treated as having no basis in reality.
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dis berry ain biosynthesizin no dmt brah
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1992 wrote:dis berry ain biosynthesizin no dmt brah Hahaha, well put  Shame, I was getting all excited there too.....but there's other alkaloids in it and Dorje, who seems quite an experienced gent, has vouched for it's psychoactivity so it's still worth finding out more about, especially since it's the first Chinese herb on here. Ident is a fictional character - The stories and quoutes attributed to Ident should be treated as having no basis in reality.
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Keep in mind Dorje is talking about the BLACK ones only. not the ones from One Green World. *pulling up a chair*
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yes, I have been looking for these buggers for a few weeks, but there are no chinese markets where I live. The events that maxzar100 describes are only hypothetical, and never actually took place. maxzar100 has no link whatsoever to any illegal substance. Quote:Salvia, the metamorphosis of reality. -Mz
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