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SnozzleBerry
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#1 Posted : 1/22/2010 7:31:47 PM
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to share a brief video I stumbled across a couple of years ago and just played for a friend during a discussion of the nature of god and entheogens and the like. It's just seven minutes of American physicist Nick Herbert talking about his experiences and points of view on entheogens. Just more discussion along the same thematic elements that seem to reverberate through as all so strongly.

Happy Viewing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66GpYC-cC-w
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#2 Posted : 1/22/2010 8:02:33 PM
Nice. Thanks for posting.
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biopsylo
#3 Posted : 1/22/2010 8:09:28 PM
nice post
he makes me want to try morning glories againCool
 
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#4 Posted : 1/22/2010 8:16:57 PM
He is a great speaker, Id like to hear more from him. Any idea where we could find some more of his work?
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#5 Posted : 1/22/2010 8:51:32 PM
He's got like 5 books out, great reads, very interesting, but it's almost impossible to find footage of him talking, which is a shame cuz he's got a lot of that McKenna impishness without so much of McKenna's loonier vibes (personally, I think this has to do with the fact that he's a top flight physicist and not a philosopher). He just comes across as more grounded...don't get me wrong McKenna's great for getting those mental wheels turning and carrying out all kinds of thought exercises, but Herbert just links and connects and explains and presents everything in a very synthesized manner that's much less sensationalist yet resonates with as much, if not more "truth".

I think he's the one who first made me realize the degree to which all of this high-level physics is parallel with the psychedelic experience and how many of these phenomena you can "observe" or experience.

Here's a link to his blog; Quantum Tantra
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#6 Posted : 1/23/2010 3:33:51 PM
Great talk

"...do you want a society based on alcohol and cocaine, or do you want a society based on lsd, mdma, ayahuasca? Which are the drugs we are gonna promote? our society has picked for some reason the absolute worst drugs.."


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biopsylo
#7 Posted : 1/23/2010 7:16:36 PM
[quote] our society has picked for some reason the absolute worst drugs.."/quote]

yeah, what did mckenna say?...red meat, sugar, alcohol, and tobacco?
and dont forget, t.v.

which drugs are put on a pedestal and glamorized and which ones are criminalized certainly has a huge influence on a culture/society.

 
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#8 Posted : 1/23/2010 9:33:37 PM
Thanks for posting this Smile !
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#9 Posted : 1/25/2010 2:36:17 AM
Awesome video! Morning glories were also the introduction to psychedelics for me. Completely lost my ego at age of 16 realizing I am everything and nothing. haha. and I agree with him, they taste horrible. After eating hundreds and throwing up I don't think I could handle tasting another seed.
I also wish there was some way to explain to parents or people alike what I am actually doing with these substances, for me it is still something I have yet to do successfully Sad
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#10 Posted : 1/29/2010 11:27:49 AM
I think the title of this post sums up the attitude of many psychonauts. We've all been in jobs or situations where we're expected to do things which could be considered dangerous or potentially life-threatening. I worked as a labourer for a team of bricklayers and had to climb scaffolding daily without any supports or harnesses, lugging rolls of lead at the same time which ain't no mean feat! Laughing

Governments and authorities need to start realising that we're responsible for ourselves. They may think they're doing 'the right thing' by saying what we can and can't ingest, it's a naive attitude to take particularly when the rest of the world is aware of just how fallible and wrong our governments are the majority of the time. Why should we accept the rules handed down by people who are just as flawed as we are? What given them the right to dictate how I or anyone else alters their state of consciousness?

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#11 Posted : 1/29/2010 3:20:02 PM
biopsylo wrote:
...red meat


the human brain initially grew about 20% in volume when man incorporated red meat into his diet.

now, I like terrence mckenna as much as the next guy, but i don't take all his ideas from Food of the Gods too seriously.
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#12 Posted : 1/29/2010 5:17:06 PM
benzyme wrote:
biopsylo wrote:
...red meat


the human brain initially grew about 20% in volume when man incorporated red meat into his diet.


what? so what are you trying to say, eating meat made the brain grow? you very well know that a positive relationship doesnt necessarily mean cause and effect.
 
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#13 Posted : 2/1/2010 6:44:48 AM
awesome video awesome fellow
thank you for helping to bring to my attention his presence in this reality
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#14 Posted : 2/1/2010 6:50:40 AM
benzyme wrote:
biopsylo wrote:
...red meat

the human brain initially grew about 20% in volume when man incorporated red meat into his diet.


Where can I find more information about this statement?
Thanks in advance.
 
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#15 Posted : 2/1/2010 9:49:05 AM
endlessness wrote:
benzyme wrote:
biopsylo wrote:
...red meat


the human brain initially grew about 20% in volume when man incorporated red meat into his diet.


what? so what are you trying to say, eating meat made the brain grow? you very well know that a positive relationship doesnt necessarily mean cause and effect.

Well, it refers to evolution, apes eat very little meat if any at all, whereas the brain of the human-to-evolve primates grew as around the time meat was widely incorporated in nutrition. Now, it doesn't mean that the nutrition of the meat made the brain larger, it may also mean that meat-eating required a shorter gastrointestinal tract and that the energy that would go to build and maintain bigger guts was invested at improving the brain.

Of course it doesn't mean that if one becomes vegetarian they lose 20% of their brain!

This Review paper explains some of these things in more detail.

Benzyme also used the word "volume" people, not "size"! this may refer to all sorts of things!

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#16 Posted : 2/1/2010 10:00:34 AM
Infundibulum wrote:
endlessness wrote:
benzyme wrote:
biopsylo wrote:
...red meat


the human brain initially grew about 20% in volume when man incorporated red meat into his diet.


what? so what are you trying to say, eating meat made the brain grow? you very well know that a positive relationship doesnt necessarily mean cause and effect.

Well, it refers to evolution, apes eat very little meat if any at all, whereas the brain of the human-to-evolve primates grew as around the time meat was widely incorporated in nutrition. Now, it doesn't mean that the nutrition of the meat made the brain larger, it may also mean that meat-eating required a shorter gastrointestinal tract and that the energy that would go to build and maintain bigger guts was invested at improving the brain.

Of course it doesn't mean that if one becomes vegetarian they lose 20% of their brain!

This Review paper explains some of these things in more detail.

Benzyme also used the word "volume" people, not "size"! this may refer to all sorts of things!


thats a bit better explained, thanks (though the link isnt working, I would be interested to see that)

the issue is that biopsylo, to whom benzyme answered, was talking about problematic 'drugs' of modern society.. and benzyme quoted as if defending meat because it made our brain get larger.. but thats quite a random argument because as mentioned, its not necessarily a causal relationship, and neither does this apply to the context of biopsilo's comment about problematic issues of nowadays.

I just want to point out here that im not trying to make this into a vegetarian vs meat eating discussion, each one should do whatever their conscience tells them.. Just trying to point that one should be careful how he uses 'facts' to make arguments like this in discussions.
 
Infundibulum
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#17 Posted : 2/1/2010 10:08:31 AM
I fixed the link endlessness, unfortunately though it's only a review article. I cannot find a link to the paper either, so it's only the abstract of it...


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