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Loss of potency of DMT in changa in GVG? Options
 
CosmicLearner
#1 Posted : 10/26/2019 2:19:01 AM
Fellow travelers, My 1:1 changa doesnt quite pack the punch and I am not sure what I am doing wrong. To start with I have extracted DMT from MHRB multiple times using Q21Q21's Naptha Tek and then recrystallized using Heptane. My first DMT experience was couple of years ago with 20mg DMT, GVG and a BIC lighter, In my first experience i got the ringing sound in the ears and some beautiful visuals, I then tried pure DMT multiple times, but never crossed 30mg of DMT in a go. And all my trips were limited to suspended visuals or creatures/people dancing to the music I am listening at the time of vaping. I did have couple of trips which were quite scary at 25-30mg dosage, like forgetting that I smoked DMT and freaking out that something is happening to me and hence i am quite afraid to cross that dosage.

Since I badly wanted to see what a breakthrough is, I started making my own changa reading up all the posts, creating infusions, all my changa are 1:1 ( 1g DMT,250mg Harmalas, 1g Leaf ) , I have weighed all of my changa, and they do add up to the total amount of DMT, harmalas and plant matter added and very minor DMT residue is left over in the pyrex dish on which i am evaping the changa. Assuming the above said ratio, 60mg of this changa should contain 26mg of DMT and 90mg of changa should contain 40mg of DMT. And since harmalas were added to the mix, there is no pressure of taking everything within 1 minute, in the initial days, with the same ratio and 60mg dosage, I was able to have beautiful visuals. These days I usually load 80-90mg changa and finish vaping it in GVG in 3 tries, within 1-2 mins ( i do not wait between my inhales, just 10-15 seconds where I am trying to absorb the DMT vapor ) , and I have finished batches of changa this way. But If i were to vape 60mg of changa now, this doesn't do much to me, there are no visuals at this dosage now, just head buzz, and the regular DMT effects on the body, it is only when i keep on vaping 1-2 bowls of 90mg Changa ( which is 80mg DMT ) , that i start seeing the visuals, But with plain DMT, I definitely have visuals at 26mg. So this brings me to my first question is 26mg of Pure DMT not equal to 26mg of DMT in changa? Have you noticed similiar effects ( on the same level ) with changa and DMT ? Are harmalas slowing or obstructing the experience in any way ? Or is changa in GVG just not efficient? I do not want to smoke it in a bong, since I dont want to inhale smoke, but if that is the only way then I will think about it. Also, are your experiences as intense as the ones you had when you were first introduced to the molecule, because my experiences are very inconsistent sometimes strong, sometimes weak but no where as strong as my initial experiences, or is it all in my headSmile .

Now coming to my question on breakthrough, Since I had couple of scary trips early on, I was always afraid of a high dosage of pure DMT without any Harmalas, but vaping changa has never been a problem for me, since harmalas make me calm, and I have smoked upto half gram to 1 gram of 1:1 changa over a period of 1-3 hours multiple times, and I all have are visuals, not that visuals are not good, i enjoy them immensely, my visuals dance to the music I am listening to, and I absolutely love that, but have never broken through, even at high doses of changa ( 120mg-140mg), all i see are visuals, patterns merging into each other, people dancing.

Since changa wasnt succesfull in me haivng a breakthrough, i tried sublingual harmalas, and then after 15 mins, i vaped DMT, even this way all i had were visuals on doses upto 30mg, I know dripping is to be accounted for with pure DMT, but I took multiple hits of 30mg on bed of mullein or a herbal smoking blend with multiple screens and still was only able to see visuals.

I am partly sure I have my vaping method correct, I gently inhale the GVG to heat the chamber up for 5-10 seconds, take my mouth off, clear chest, and then start inhaling with some pressure, and all of the white smoke vaporizes instantly, in the first hit, I usually feel the flavor of the leaves, my infusions etc, the second hit is when it hits me and i continue to vape until i start feeling the burnt taste from the leaves, which is usually after my 3rd hit.

At this point i am beginning to question if a breakthrough is nothing but whatever visuals i see magnified to an x factor, but for some reason I am not even able to reach that x factor, please guide a fellow traveler to reach the hyper space.
 
Thrasymachus
#2 Posted : 10/26/2019 9:57:00 AM
Hi friend!

Here are my two cents with regard to your problem.

I kind of ran into this issue when I first started smoking dmt alone. I too had a GVG and had successfully smoked DMT for a while before moving on to Changa. Thing is-- changa doesn't do so well being vaporized in my experience.

I think of it in the sense that there is an infusion process which aims to spread the active compounds evenly through the substrate. Because of this vaporizing seems to only char, and or sear the outsides without fully antagonizing certain portions of the contents of your toke. So, you end up with a kind of labored toke that definitely supplies a dosage but feels mild in comparison to a real changa toke that fully burns your package.

Being that this is the case, a bong is really the way to go. Load it up fully, light it but don't hold it to the flame and I can assure you sir, you will no longer use the GVG with Changa.

Proceed with caution, and remember that Changa builds.

(Oh, and it occured to me that you said you didn't want to smoke it-- but in this case-- if you can get past it, it is well worth it.)
The metaphysical comfort--with which, I am suggesting even now, every true tragedy leaves us--that life is at the bottom of things, despite all the changes of appearances, indestructibly powerful and pleasurable--this comfort appears in incarnate clarity in the chorus of the satyrs, a chorus of natural beings who live ineradicably, as it were, behind all civilization and remain eternally the same, despite the changes of generations and of the history of nations.
--Nietzsche

Ontology has it backwards. “This ‘saying to the Other’ — this relationship with the Other as interlocutor, this relation with an existent — precedes all ontology; it is the ultimate relation in Being”
--Levinas
 
CosmicLearner
#3 Posted : 10/26/2019 5:20:25 PM
Thrasymachus wrote:


I think of it in the sense that there is an infusion process which aims to spread the active compounds evenly through the substrate. Because of this vaporizing seems to only char, and or sear the outsides without fully antagonizing certain portions of the contents of your toke. So, you end up with a kind of labored toke that definitely supplies a dosage but feels mild in comparison to a real changa toke that fully burns your package.

Being that this is the case, a bong is really the way to go. Load it up fully, light it but don't hold it to the flame and I can assure you sir, you will no longer use the GVG with Changa.


Thank you, I guess i suspected this, its not like I am against smoking, after all i have smoked cigarettes for more than 10 years. I have previously tried to smoke my changa in a bong, but have been unsuccessful in lighting it, how much do you load in a bong, how would you arrange 90mg into a cone?
 
Thrasymachus
#4 Posted : 10/27/2019 7:17:04 PM
CosmicLearner wrote:
Thrasymachus wrote:


I think of it in the sense that there is an infusion process which aims to spread the active compounds evenly through the substrate. Because of this vaporizing seems to only char, and or sear the outsides without fully antagonizing certain portions of the contents of your toke. So, you end up with a kind of labored toke that definitely supplies a dosage but feels mild in comparison to a real changa toke that fully burns your package.

Being that this is the case, a bong is really the way to go. Load it up fully, light it but don't hold it to the flame and I can assure you sir, you will no longer use the GVG with Changa.


Thank you, I guess i suspected this, its not like I am against smoking, after all i have smoked cigarettes for more than 10 years. I have previously tried to smoke my changa in a bong, but have been unsuccessful in lighting it, how much do you load in a bong, how would you arrange 90mg into a cone?


I don't quite understand what you mean by unsuccessful? Was it just not able to catch? If so, ur changa might not be adequately dried. You would have to elaborate here for me to offer any real advice.

As to loading it-- it really depends on the size of ur bowl. I just go by the general rule of filling it to the brim and gently igniting it and pulling the flame back. I push as deep as I am willing and then if I'd like to push further, I pick the bong back up and either reload and finish another bowl, or finish the last toke to re-engage highness.

6 year long cigarette smoker here btw. Awful habit, but god I love smoking. Does offer the benefit of coarse smokers lungs; let's you go deep and find the bottom of the bong.
The metaphysical comfort--with which, I am suggesting even now, every true tragedy leaves us--that life is at the bottom of things, despite all the changes of appearances, indestructibly powerful and pleasurable--this comfort appears in incarnate clarity in the chorus of the satyrs, a chorus of natural beings who live ineradicably, as it were, behind all civilization and remain eternally the same, despite the changes of generations and of the history of nations.
--Nietzsche

Ontology has it backwards. “This ‘saying to the Other’ — this relationship with the Other as interlocutor, this relation with an existent — precedes all ontology; it is the ultimate relation in Being”
--Levinas
 
ModeratorSenior Member
#5 Posted : 10/28/2019 10:59:42 AM
Trying to vaporize a changa mix within a GVG isn't too great of a method. Harmalas need smoked, not vaped also. Any infused mix, whether changa or just enhanced leaf - they should be combusted. That's a big reason these methods of delivery were developed [changa/e leaf].

Also to add, vaporizing a changa mix in a GVG is inferior to using just plain xtals in a GVG because of the amount of material you're attempting to vaporize in combination with the dmt & harmalas [which in this case all you'd essentially be getting is the DMT & herb vaporized].

Small glass bubbler or a small glass bong [1ft tall +/-], the rest is history.
 
 
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