Elrik wrote:There is a thread where cactus alkaloid yields are published,
HereBut that wont tell you whats best. My highest yielding cactus gives a speedy trip with almost no visuals. I have a group that gives half the yield but with more visuals and not so much stimulation, but they have really long nasty spines. I have another cactus that gives just 2/3 the yield of that good one but is really fat, immune to diseases, and so close to spineless that I can just lift a 30 kilo log in my bare hands and carry it around or pick up the pot and rest the stem against my shoulder.
I once went through a group of bridgesii, taking harmine with each one, most were alike given a little difference in potency but one gave a very ayahuasca-like trip. I think I have six clones of that now
Whats best depends on what you want.
Hey Elrik, interesting info thanks! Good help again after all that about monokaryons.
But I was wondering how much is known about what type of alkaloids and non-alkaloid secondary psychoactives are responsible for modulating the effects to become more of a sensory experience?
If harmala beta-carbolines can potentiate and change the experience (also making it more psychedelic), that is also fascinating and useful but the question that has been bothering me for something like over 15 years is still about the more classical cactus compounds. bridgesii on its on has quite the reputation already.
I have gone back and forth about wondering if compounds like quercetin or kaempferol are major answers and if I was on to something with "SSAO inhibitors" or i guess primary amine inhibitors, but I didn't really think that checked out.
It would be amazing especially if other accessible plant / food sources could offer this modulation to enhance the effects of pure mescaline. And I would then also like to know if it would be effective and safe to also enhance the effects of other psychedelic phenethylamines.
I don't know because I have also gone back and forth on the idea that mescaline's activity is pretty unique and distinct from just about all other psychedelics. Well maybe the way it fits in and activates 5-HT2A but I suppose nothing categorically different about the pharmacology. That would be important to understand well, 2C-B may really not be a good target to try and enhance with these agents and ones like 2C-T-7 could easily become (more) dangerous, I feel/suspect.
The speedy non-visual effect seems easier to find plausible candidates for among the phenethylamines, but enhancers which may not even be all that active on their own, I don't know about that - It feels like MAOIs all over again though such as beta-carbolines having been found in Ps. cubensis.
Has someone tested out fractions of cactus extract before together with (reasonably pure) mesc, to get more of a clear picture? Please enlighten me if I have missed quite a bit in say the last decade, cause I have been more focused on fungi.
Thnx
PS, interesting question r0m
.. I do wonder if it may be the presence of harmaline making a difference with varieties like PE and APE and not only the higher levels of psilocin/psilocybin.
I have tried pure psilocin before and 4-AcO-DMT as well plenty of times, and I find those more like DMT, and Pan cyan more like acid or pure psilocin while cubensis feels the least like pure psilocin to me.
Quite like the activity is being complicated by other substances. I have tried it with syrian rue before but I can't really say if that is the same qualitative difference for me as cubensis vs psilocin / non-cubensis species. Could be though, there are enough parallels.
Fortunately analysis of samples is gradually becoming more common so hopefully before long we will have some data to say more about all this and perhaps we gain more direct insight into our preferences and profiles of actives such as is the case with cannabis these days.