Hi travellers - I've successfully done harmala extractions from rue previously, but on this occasion I tried a few things differently and have some strange results. Hoping someone can shed some light on what is going on (from a chemistry perspective). Here's how it went down:
(1) Instead of grinding the seeds, I simply simmered about 350g in acidic water (vinegar+distilled water) and combined/reduced - partly because I'd read that the outer skin contains the harmalas whereas the inner skin and core don't, and also because I was going to try an alternative to the laborious filtering process
(2) Did some basic filtering, less than usual, just through a sieve and cotton
(3) Basified with sodium carbonate (the soup was a little darker than usual because of more gunk due to less filtering) and left it to precipitate/settle overnight
(4) I decanted the top basic layer and added distilled water, allowed it to settle then decanted again (repeated this a few times) - my thinking was that the freebase harmalas won't dissolve in water and that I could dilute and remove the gunk over successive repeats plus slowly reduce/remove the sodium carbonate in anticipation of acidifying again prior to the manske
(5) After repeating the above about 4 times, there wasn't enough sodium carbonate to precipitate the freebase alkaloids, so I added more and continued the process again - each time the top basic layer got clearer and with less plant sediment suspended in the solution
(6) Finally I decided to do the manske so I decanted the basic layer a final time and added a warm vinegar/water solution (by this time I'd run out of distilled water so just used tap water). Normally I'd run it through coffee filters and dry then acidify prior to manske, but I was trying a new (for me) approach. But the freebase harmalas refused to dissolve. I tried decanting and adding more vinegar/water, this time stronger. Still wouldn't dissolve. Tried hotter pure vinegar, three more times. No success, still a thick layer of freebase harmalas settled at the bottom. I tested the PH and it was about 6 - couldn't seem to get it any lower.
(7) Perplexed, I've just run it through a coffee filter and have some odd results:
(i) a fluorescent but quite clear orange liquid collected (looks amazing with a blacklight - see pic)
(ii) the harmalas collected in the coffee filter are dark PURPLE instead of the usual tan colour
I'm going to continue and see what happens, but does anyone know what happened here?
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