Dear members, The following change has been made to this Attitude part of our combined knowledge (the changes have been made italic): Quote:No synthesis talk that uses dangerous/watched chemicals and procedures
Discussion of simple safe non-commercial synthesis not requiring watched chemicals are tolerated (example: the reduction of DMT N-oxide to DMT with zinc, or the supposed LSA-to-LSH conversion).
Members who have been given the chemical expert status, indicated by the flask icon, are allowed to discuss these topics at their own discretion for harm reduction purposes. Also a reminder to these flask holders: be aware of your knowledge! Kind regards, The Traveler
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thanks  "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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benzyme wrote:thanks  Expect nothing, Receive everything.
"Experiment and extrapolation is the only means the organic chemists (humans) currrently have - in contrast to "God" (and possibly R. B. Woodward). "
He alone sees truly who sees the Absolute the same in every creature...seeing the same Absolute everywhere, he does not harm himself or others. - The Bhagavad Gita
"The most beautiful thing we can experience, is the mysterious. The source of all true art and science."
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"dangerous/watched chemicals and procedures" These are pretty vague definitions. E.g. lists of watched chemicals differ from country to country. Can somebody elaborate on this issue? Do not seek the truth, just drop your opinions.
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basically anything on the TSCA list in the US. Ordering anything on that list from major suppliers/distributors is bound to elicit questions. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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Is coca talk still prohibited? It's pretty safe in my opinion.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but - Tryptophan, - Melatonin, - Tetralin, - Formalin, - Sodium borohydride, - DCM, - Heptane, - Methanol, are not on the list, right? Do not seek the truth, just drop your opinions.
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KloudQ7, what do you mean coca talk? Talking about coca leaves? Talking about using cocaine? talking about extracting cocaine from coca leaves?
Trickster, why that specific list of chemicals?
Formalin (formaldehyde) is carcinogenic, methanol is relatively toxic. If you want to talk about a proceedure that uses both of those, you'll have to be very explicit on the dangers, how to avoid them, etc. Proper disclaimers, proper safety measures, etc. That will make it more ok to talk about. Either way feel free to pm a moderator if you are in doubt about something you want to post
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those can be used to convert tryptophan to tryptamine. missing glacial acetic acid, which is on TSCA inventory. a little razzle dazzle with some of those can convert melatonin to pinoline, not 5-MeO-DMT, because it's most likely going to undergo Pictet-Spengler. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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Sorry, I was talking about extracting cocaine from the leaves. I've been told not to mention it and I wasn't exactly sure why other than that it's partially a synthesis.
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Trickster wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but
- Tryptophan,
- Melatonin,
- Tetralin,
- Formalin,
- Sodium borohydride,
- DCM,
- Heptane,
- Methanol,
are not on the list, right? these are available through commercial routes. discretion lies upon the end user. examples of no-no's: Lithium Aluminum Hydride, Indole Oxalyl Chloride. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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That TSCA list is insane. It includes basically everything, including peanuts. The government is watching how many peanuts I eat? lol..
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