Hey I have two newbie questions. Whenever I see posts about how to smoke/vape DMT I am always asking myself whether or not it is exactly the same for Changa. Let's say we want to vape. For DMT, there are recommendations. But does the same hold true for Changa? Because of different ingredients there should be different vaping temperatures. Swim's attempts at smoking Changa Spliffs and in a wood pipe have failed and the next time, he wants to do it right

What cheap but well-working device would you recommend for smoking Changa?
I have seen a self-built thing from GordoTek so I was asking myself why not just use a simple Bong like this and then putting the DMT onto the bottom of the Bong (where you would usually put the water). Just one needs to be careful not to burn the DMT from what I read. I wonder why I should pay over 150$ for a glass bong ô.O I really do not understand the recommendation of VG yet as I have no experience. And in that thread I only read "it's good, buy it" but no explanation whatsoever why exactly that. So can someone clarify please?

i use my GVG for changa and freebase dmt.
the reason why everyone likes the GVG so much is because it is almost impossible to burn the spice. with change it requires a bit more heat, but it works also really well.

changa in a spliff or wooden pipe never worked for me well, at least not to an extent where i could find the taste tolerable or the effects worth it.
so my advice: trust the people in the GVG threads: "it's good, buy it". only few people are not happy with it, but there are different tastes to everything i guess

You can get a mini bong for $20 that will be suitable for changa, if that is what you desire.

I bought a cone and stem and made mine out of a honey bottle, so it cost me less than 10 bucks. Does the job perfectly.

By all means, lash out the cash on whatever you like, try a few things, but it really doesn't have to be an expensive exercise.

I use GVG for changa just fine but bong is best for the price and also might be quicker, easier and more effective for changa.

This has been noted to be effective: Get a bong, 20$ one, like mentioned earlier. Point is to get it filled all the way with smoke, and then clear it 100%. I suggest to pack 0.1g, or less if Your changa is strong in DMT. Lil tapping with pinky finger will pack it good. Then, light it with normal lighter, use so much flame, that it gets all burn. Hold it for few moments deep in lungs and exhale.

Its a matter of getting better.

I have never smoked changa in GVG, though it seems that crystal and changa are such different tools, that i cannot without force, to imagine myself to put jungle herb mix to that pipe from hyperspace. Changa, smoke it, smoke it with fire. Or, what about having white crystal in a bong? Smoking crystal with fire, huh?

...I feel sorry if Spice aint treated like a living, loving being.

Conclusion is, to not to resist the way You feel about interacting with Spice.

Using a bong for changa has to be one of the best ways to use DMT. It is a lot easier to use than freebase crystals. That said, if you're going to use freebase crystals, Gvg really is the benchmark.

Your body metabolizes the substance so quickly that, getting 30mg in a single toke can be as effective as 50mg in three tokes. This is where I'd be aiming to be. Efficiency goes a long way, it is resourceful. It is also elegant and calmer because the experience is much smoother when all you need to worry about is a single toke. It means you're less gassed when it all kicks off.

A little bit of practice really helps, you will definitely notice it getting easier over time.

Stay safe, happy travels.

Well here is the problem with the GVG:

I dont want to invest huge amounts when I have no experience yet and am still figuring out whether or not I want to continue afterwards.
So I organized a Vaporizer yesterday, my friend was at my place too. SWIM was thinking about killing the rest of Changa. He put ~2x60mg into the vaper and inhaled it. There was only visible haze the very first time he pulled and another time with the second load, but somewhere in the middle. Through the vaper, it is so hard to determine (for me = noob) how much you inhaled. Would it be normal that you need to take more than 10 deep hits from a vaper (Vapir NO2) with hardly any effect after 20min?

So the only effect SWIM was getting was similar to weak weed/LSD and in the end he gave up after like 45min of trying to really get something starting with low temperatures (165°C) going up to 204°C and everything in between. Plus he got a slight headache again, also today.
Afterwards, he tried weed which worked quite well through the vaper, although it could be that Changa also added some to the effect.

Am I just too stupid to use it right or what? I noticed I need more weed e.g. than my friend, always thought I would be resistent to it. Not sure if I have a DMT resistance, too.

From what I read somewhere on this forum, many people say Changa should not be vaporized because the DMT and herbs have totally different temp requirements; like DMT should not be heated above somewhat around 150-170° while I found temps over 200 for the herbs. If someone vapes DMT in a vaper, is 150°C already sufficient?

Moreover what I didnt find so far (didnt search yet) is what effect DMT has if one has no breakthrough. Because I am always thinking about breaking through but never searched for what a lighter effect would be.

Man I feel so noobish


Does that mean without water inside? Otherwise, isnt that the same (burning, which I am trying to avoid) when lighting the Changa on the bong cone? Because SWIM tried it in a wooden pipe and in Spliffs as well and it didnt work either.

Hey, can I use this tek also for MHRB or B.Caapi instead of Acacia?

And yet another question: I just found on a product review that someone did this:

Well THIS really sounds like a foolproof method ô.O and right now, I cannot see why this shouldnt work. You take the MAOIs first, orally, and then later the powdered MHRB orally. Objections? What is a bit confusing is that they (removed URL, wasnt sure if I can post that here) sell 3g-sizes only. But since it is an 10:1 extract and because of a comment mentioning 400mg I assume one only has to take 1/10th of the beginner recommendation of 3g rue. SWIM would tend to buy this rue extract, take 300mg of it, wait 1h and then take 3g of mimosa or 5g of confusa powder. Alternatively he would take 3g of seeds and triple boil/filter them. Did I understand correctly? Which makes me think about the above mentioned tek and how much weight/active substances the initial 3g rue and 10g bark would result in. When I boil 3g rue and filter it 3 times, then in the end will I have 3g*0,05 (~5% alkaloids) = 150mg MAOI? Why are there only measurements for the amount of seeds (3-5g) and hardly any for the finished product? [edit: Found some numbers here.]
I really dont get why teks are still rather complicated or take very long when there are ingestion methods like the above described or this one.

I know this seems all very confused and unorganized but I got too much information b/c of this forum and I really want to know what I am doing when I take it. I want a natural, true, safe, easy (to prepare/ingest) experience and no more disappointments as with Changa.

I'm a noob as well, but I will offer my advice on one thing: lighter than breakthrough levels. For me, things get a bit blurry/edges distort with open eyes. There's a certain physical "take off" kind of feeling too, but nowhere near as intense as with a breakthrough dose.

The biggest interest to me is closed eye visuals on the lighter doses. Close your eyes, lay back, let it come to you, and let yourself go there. If you find my post called "A Sketch" in the First Steps in Hyperspace forum, this was my first vaped/smoked dmt experience and was sub-breakthrough.

If you want to go simple and have an intense effect, I'd go with ayahuasca personally. It lasts much longer and you have to spend hours at the stove, but it's definitely simple! Good luck with everything

Damn straight. This is some fine ideology.

About the water in the bong: water should have some effect on the harshness and temperature of smoke. Been tried with and without, water wins.

Yet I havent done oral DMT. Seems like oral is indeed more accurate for delivering the full dose, as you can imagine how EASY it is to swallow gel caps. Yet it is for sure whole different approach. This is for, because it is undeniable art when one is working with changa.

Breakthrough is, in my reflection, that one comes back from a journey, and can without hesitation, say that "that was definetly a breakthrough." No doubt.


We are kind of miners here, looking for valuable stones. I see how easy it is to get grey stone no use at all. Let there be diamonds for You...

Blissful journeys!

In addition to my questions above, I have another one: how long can I store ayahuasca in the fridge? Asking because the whole circus of cooking for hours aint worth for just one tea. I found months or even years???

Boy, how many of the questionnaire questions does one have to answer???? Can you become a full member before answering every question? Some questions are really annoying and just wasting my precious time, some are necessary of course.

As far as I have read: yes, months. My friend stored some that I made him for close to a year in the fridge, somewhat surprisingly it hadn't fermented or anything yet. Especially if you simmer and concentrate it down to a very potent brew, and especially if you had vinegar in the boil, it's pretty stable. You can also freeze it.

As far as the questionnaire, it is a lot. I finished it recently and it is a lot of questions. I would just do a few here and there if I were you. You will come across some really interesting threads and information in your search, though

I suggest you extract harmalas and dmt and keep them separate. What I do is vaporise the harmalas first, 5-25 mg and sit with it for 20 min or so. Then put another 5-15 mg of harmalas with your dmt. With this method you can regulate the dosage and effect very well, and get interesting results from as little as 5 mg of dmt.

If you want the effects from some herbs like damiana or mugwort, make a tea that you drink before and after. The tea has calming effects and can make the experience slightly less terrifying, at least sometimes.

Yeah spliffs I'd pass on using for method delivery. Wooden pipe sounds alright, but depending on it's design, it could be inferior.

Look into getting one of these 3 devices. Properly used with ice cold water, these delivery methods with changa/e-leaf can be extremely powerful ime.

Glass spoon bubbler, stationary medium sized water pipe, small-medium sized water bong. Preferably the medium sized water pipe or spoon bubbler, but the small volume glass bong is brutal too..

**Also when you're drawing the flame when inhaling, don't draw the breath in fast or quick, learn to take long and slow tokes, allowing the flame front on the leaf to travel slowly, not quick.