Hello! Did i burn my dmt when i smoked it in form of changa? I applied flame directly on changa and dragged bong fully in about two seconds. I used 0.05 grams of changa which contains 20mg dmt. Got only light experience while, my friend who smoked from same batch, same amount got blown away with experience.

After that did only so mild experience i tried to smoke 0.1 grams and got little stronger effect but still not enough. 0.1 grams should contain around 35-40mg of dmt.

It does sound like you may have burnt it. What kind of lighter did you use? A torch lighter makes all the difference. Holding it at a good distance and then pulling it in closer to the bowl doesn't allow it to burn like it would with a normal flame. I used to waste a lot of material before a torch lighter was purchased, even when being as careful as possible.

It could be that your friend is more sensitive than you. Also, scales that go to .01 aren't all that accurate when measuring small amounts IME. Get a milligram scale if you don't have one.

Thanks for quick reply!

I used normal lighter, need to try with torch today. I have milligram scale. I had to focus real hard to "see" CEV's, and visuals were kind of black/white. Even tiniest sound distracted me from focusing visuals and got almost back to normal, even with that 0.1 gram dose.

Almost felt like i had this virtual reality type of mask on me when i closed eyes.

I second that, sounds like you burnt it. Generally speaking you want a temperature of around 140-150 degrees C heating the spice. A standard bic lighter is around 800-1100 degrees.

There's a couple of ways around this using a bic lighter. If you're doing the bong method then you wanna layer the substance. I find rolling tobacco to be the best for this but you can use almost any material, finely cut mullein has a really nice consistency to burn. Cannabis isn't as great and I find it "dulls" the experience a fraction (for lack of a better word) and doesn't burn that consistently, but still works.

So to actually layer it, put a gauze in the bottom of your bowl of tobacco or whatever (just a small amount to hold the spice/block the hole). Sprinkle your desired dose on top, then pack a reasonably thick top layer of your chosen herb. Then when you smoke it, very quickly light the top layer in a circular motion. You wanna light as much as possible on the top so it burns evenly down but you also wanna be quick as to not burn it. While and after it's lit toke very, very lightly and slowly draw the whole bong through; the heat from the ember on top will vapourise the spice before it even touches it, and you can slowly pull your whole bong through no fear.

You don't apply the flame directly to most of the material but light only a bit of it on fire and let the hot air from the burning plant material vaporize the dmt. A part of the DMT will always be burnt using changa. I'm actually surprised how well it still works.

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And just to add a tiny bit to this (which oblig basically already said it) - yeah usually the aim is to get just a tiny cherry on top and learn to do long, slow, controlled tokes, the longer and slower you do this - the slower the heat front moves along the herb, slowly vaporizing the dmt.

You don't just smoke it like packin a bowl of weed [though i've used the weed analogy before on the ease of use for e-leaf/change, and that's partly my fault).

But yeah:

long and slow with infused herb. If your lung capacity isn't too great then maybe you could practice to build this up. Practice

When done efficiently changa is brutally effective. Very powerful ime.

Thanks for the help! Will try it today or tomorrow.

You would be surprised how well changa and enhanced leaf works out of a glass vapor genie. It saves a lot of dmt.

Alright, so i tried to smoke it again about 30 minutes ago. First 0.05 grams and i was extra careful with lighter (I was using torch) but still very very mild experience.

After ten minutes or so, i loaded bong with 0.1 grams and then torch lighter ran out of gas so i took normal lighter and still just let flame lick changa. It was more powerful experience than yesterday with same amount but it was still mild, only visuals were little flowers spinning slowly at fabric poster. Got same body load as before.

I am running out of ideas here Would it be that i just need to smoke bigger dose? Or do i mess up smoking still somehow.

Edit: Afterglow effects are more like depressing and feeling little sad. I have been preparing for dmt journey for half a year and thats why feel very dissapointed

Ran out of changa but thinking to try again in couple months. Should i just pack full bowl then and take one to three hits from it?

Did you make this changa yourself?

Yes, with warm bath tek.

Same friend tried it again but got only mild visuals. So it seems that dmt was not evenly mixed with herbs! Will make new batch soon and try to make changa with solvent. I will report experiences then.

Why don't you just vaporize the dmt? If you purchase a nice vaporizer you won't have to worry about this kind of stuff. I'm not saying changa is a bad thing, I've made plenty of it. I'm just saying if you want to experience this try the traditional route. It works extremely well, I promise you... If you can't afford a nice vaporizer you can make something called the machine. You can learn how to make it on the nexus.

Yeah i have been thinking to try that way too. It will be much faster experience with pure spice? I heard that harmalas is going to make it more slower and that i can bring something from that journey with me.

my personal opinion, the pure experience is better.. You'll be surprised.. Not saying changa can't get you there.

I agree. It is more brutal, colorful, amazing.
Changa isn't bad, it's just different but imho misses the point of vaped dmt.
I'd rather drink a mild brew and add some dmt to it than smoke change.
Of course, enhanced leaf is like DMT vaped any other way.

You can pull a lot of junk if the temperature is 2 high. Personally I don't like to use heat. I'm not saying that the fats and other alkaloids are a bad thing. I'm just saying that clean spice is better on the lungs.. You can get great results without heat so don't be afraid to try it. Just do a couple more pulls... Once again not telling you what to do lol....

Haha, keep trying my friend. Persevere and your next batch will positivley floor you

If all else fails, pack 200mg of 1:1 changa in the bowl. No way you can finish smoking that...

When people I know smoke, they will keep a normal bic lighter far away and start moving it closer slowly, that seems to help the "vape".


They use Chaliponga, Viridis and Caapi for leaves when they do theirs.. something about the "rainforest feel".