So I’ve got a buddy who’s a member here and we’ve started a therapeutic relationship with psycadelics. We’ve been discussing higher doses. His experiences have been complete breakthroughs but he says they lack “meaning”. He’s vaporizing 75-100 mg and has had some negative experiences. I myself use 50 mg and bring back complete enlightenment and love. I was wondering if anyone feels the same way

Although I am not experienced with higher doses of DMT, across the board with psychedelics so far I have found that the more I take, the more overwhelming and complex the information I receive is. This can make it difficult to make rational sense of or integrate intellectually.

Hard to take you seriously with that handle. lol

There is a sweet spot for sure. Always start with low dosage and work your way up. My sweet spot is around 40-50mg dosage. Each to their own.

As storyteller said, the moar you take the moar overwhelming and complex the information received can be. You can also smoalk yourself into a white out and remember nothing of the experience.

Drink enough alcohol and you will black out. Drink just enough and its a good time and very social. The body has it's limits.

Also, OP, it's good to remember that higher dosages don't necessarily equate to a deeper/stronger experience.

There's a host of other factors I think that can play heavily into how deep you'll go and how the experience is received/how it unfolds. The experience isn't entirely dosage dependent. Physiological makeup/health, your serotonergic system in general , distribution/density of receptors, geographical, personal life history, life scenarios, your own evolution/development as your life moves along, the list is near endless. I have several personal examples of this.

'Are higher dosages less meaningful?' Depends who's asking tbh, not everyone will receive this experience in the same way, hence what I mentioned above.

Higher doses always mean less actual human left

So you need to find the spot where you are still "alive" and not just some husk spazzed out on some drug.

Lower is always okay for psychs. Either you dont trip or you have a trip that is mild.
Nothing bad about mild trips.

It really depends on the drug and the person.
Any dose where you are still aware is meaningful doses where you just evaporate yourself are not meaningful.

I find even with one beer strong, I have a dulled down experience, but with other substances it can be enhanced and prolonged. Again this can go the other way; too much of a good thing certainly exists.

[quote=Buddyfucker] He’s vaporizing 75-100 mg and has had some negative experiences

Not surprised he is if he is managing to clear the full 100 mg !

I have had a high dose experiences that resulted to a gradual loss of all humanness. I had completely forgotten who I was or that I had even taken a psychedelic. This is not something to be taken lightly. I have found that even on a massive dose one can still hold on to the ego even if by a single thread and it can be terrifying. I have found that the secret is to let go of fear, surrender to it, and you will be rewarded with love.

I distinctly recall fearing that I would forget that I existed as time warped around me, and I orbited a state of thoughtlessness. I felt like I had been hit by a tidal wave by the spirits, ineffable beings with countless eyes staring back at me, mocking me.

You should be careful with this stuff. It can be really stoning so it's not like you will hurt yourself, you won't be able to walk around but it can be very psychologically debilitating, and you will trip for what feels like a really long time . Time does not function the same way is those realms. I do not regret that trip, but I thought I took way too much at the time


It was very enlightening but I eventually just lost consciousness. Still remembered a lot though. Being that it takes a lot of courage to take a high dose this can be disappointing and is obviously undesirable. But body chemistry can complicate things.

I find myself gravitating more towards low doses lately. But I think everyone should take a high dose at some point so they really can see what this stuff is all about. Perhaps in conjunction with meditation a low dose can take you just as far but that has not been my experience.

To me, it appears important that one "finds" her/his OWN sweetspot(s)... like his/her OWN way in life with her/his OWN way of living this life.

As a "boy" I believed, .... I believed that I have to take huge amounts of mushrooms or LSD, that I have to obliterate myself completely, that this is the right and only way of doing psychs and that the higher the dose the better. My attitude was like: "No dose (except physical LD) can kill me and as "a free mind" (stuck in an identification) I have to proof it.". I didn't care a lot about setting, it was (is) all about the set. Haha.. I had quite some super intense experiences and due to my lack of grounding, several integration difficulites, with which I had to deal for the next years, resulted from my practice.

I didn't get, that there is nothing to get and that all is. I didn't understand how to let go of mind, thus, I was going through all different levels of identification (mind games) and suffered from sticking to them. I was not ready to completely let go of mind and live on like that, before I walked many many mountains just to find another mountain behind the previous one. On my way I learned, still the possibilities of learning are infinite, as this is what is just happening in every moment, change, what I call life.

Now, I check my intention of the experience I am going for. When I want to enjoy with friends f.e. outdoor and have a great time, I really love mushies, changa, LSD, mescaline and THC on a FOR ME! medium dose (experience based) but when I feel the call and go diving, I draw myself back from the world. I go alone, deep, dark and silent and hit it as hard as I can. There is no thinking of "what is this good for", it just is what I really love to do, with all my heart and passion.

It is not important how much someone else is vaping, smoalking, earning, meditating, fucking, eating, dancing, smiling,... just do what ever you do with your heart. Open up completely to your OWN experience, you are (at) the sweetspot of your life, there is nothing to become, you are truth, you are now.

To sum up my opinion: The higher the dose the less meaning is derivable... because THIS (mind) doesn't make sense at all.

Happy and safe travels, tseuq