Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele var. Krainzianus Mescaline 2.48% Turbinicarpus schmeidickeanus spp. Schwarzii Mescaline 1.26% 250-500mgs of total alkaloid fraction per 100g fresh plant material This information was derived from "cactus chemistry by species - K. Trout and friends" PDF files of this publication, as well as many other publications, are available here: http://troutsnotes.com/trouts-notes-library/These two cactus species caught my eye. By all means they should both be suitable as entheogens, yet these two species are never mentioned by most. Has anybody had any personal experiance regarding the cultivation or Entheogenic consumption of these two species? Any information would be much appreciated, this is all for research purposes of coarse, however as a cactus collector I would love to add these two novel species to my collection, there are no legal restrictions regarding these species (as far as I can tell) however finding the specific species has proven to be quite the task... (The multiple Latin names causes confusion when looking to purchase these species online, you will find the correct Latin names in the wrong order, or there will be two correct Latin names and the third is something different...while browsing the web I was very specific in my nomenclature regarding the very specific species I was seeking, yet such specificity could not be found on the other end, even when it comes to research regarding these species things become difficult, with enough effort I'm sure I could obtain specimens for my collection, and could locate the proper research information, but that's not what this thread is about... ) Any information, anecdotes or comments would be appreciated, as I have just begun my research involving these cacti and know very little at the present moment. Thanks, -eg
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entheogenic-gnosis wrote:Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele var. Krainzianus
Mescaline 2.48%
Turbinicarpus schmeidickeanus spp. Schwarzii
Mescaline 1.26%
250-500mgs of total alkaloid fraction per 100g fresh plant material
It's 2.48% of total alkaloid which is 0.25-0.5% of fresh plant material. So, in the best case scenario, mescaline is 0.0124% of fresh material. « I love the smell of boiling MHRB in the morning »
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entheogenic-gnosis wrote:Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele var. Krainzianus
Mescaline 2.48%
Turbinicarpus schmeidickeanus spp. Schwarzii
Mescaline 1.26%
250-500mgs of total alkaloid fraction per 100g fresh plant material
It's 2.48% of total alkaloid which is 0.25-0.5% of fresh plant material. So, in the best case scenario, mescaline is 0.0124% of fresh material. « I love the smell of boiling MHRB in the morning »
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Hmmm...the way it was written was very misleading.
Though That explains the absence of chatter in the psychedelic community regarding these species...
Thanks,
-eg
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Krazianus is a beautiful but super rare plant... Had one but lost it... Very tiny amount of mescaline worded like it has a lot but haha yeah decieving eh? Muskogee Herbman attached the following image(s):  DSC_2072.jpg (175kb) downloaded 83 time(s).Creator help me live in a way that will make my ancestors proud.
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Other than mescaline there are quite a few phenethylamine compounds present... These are rare in the wild from what I've read, but are easy to grow from seed, provided that you can find seeds for the very specific variety you are seeking...I've seen some live cacti offered here and there, but I have no way to be certain they are the exact variety I'm looking for... I still want to add these two species to my collection... Quote:Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele var. krainzianus (Frank) Glass & Foster
Reported chemistry:
Phenethylamine (1.12% [± 0.13] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Tyramine (0.98% [± 0.18] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
N-Methyltyramine (Trace detected)
Hordenine (49.60% [± 0.55] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Mescaline (2.48% [± 0.19] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
N-Methylmescaline (3.27% [± 0.09] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids/ 100 gm of fresh plant)
N,N-Dimethylmescaline (2.89% [± 0.15] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids/ 100 gm of fresh plant)
O-Methylanhalidine (0.77% [± 0.04] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids/ 100 gm of fresh plant)
Anhalinine (29.24% [± 0.04] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Anhalonidine (2.44% [± 0.13] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Pellotine (0.36% [± 0.08] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Štarha et al. 1999
-trouts notes Could somebody please explain exactly what is meant here? Quote:mescaline (2.48% [± 0.19] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Also one must keep This in mind: Quote:Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele (Backeberg) F.Buxbaum & Backeberg
Reported chemistry:
Hordenine (Sole alkaloid. 1-10 mg of total alkaloids/ 100 gm.
fresh.) Bruhn & Bruhn 1973
-trouts notes It's very important that it's the "krainzianus" variety...
Quote:Turbinicarpus schmiedickeanus var. schwarzii (Shurly) Glass & Foster [Plant name may be invalid?] Reported chemistry: Phenethylamine (1.07% [± 0.42] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant) Tyramine (2.92% [± 0.25] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant) N-Methyltyramine (Trace detected) Hordenine (48.81% [± 2.72] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant) Mescaline (1.26% [± 0.21] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant) N-Methylmescaline (0.98% [± 0.24] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm fresh) N,N-Dimethylmescaline (Trace detected) O-Methylanhalidine (2.82% [± 0.41] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant) Anhalinine (39.57% [± 1.14] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant) Anhalonidine (0.52% [± 0.11] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant) Pellotine (0.41% [± 0.11] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant) Štarha et al. 1999 http://sacredcacti.com/blog/turbinicarpus/ -eg
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[quote=entheogenic-gnosis] Could somebody please explain exactly what is meant here? Quote:mescaline (2.48% [± 0.19] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
-eg To me this means that the average was anywhere from 250-500mg of full spectrum extract per 100g of fresh plant material. Of that 250-500mg of extract, only 2.48 percent would be mescaline. So there would be anywhere from 6.2-12.4mg of mescaline per 100g of fresh plant. Everything published by Gone-and-Back are the mad rantings and ravings of a mind who yearns to be free and thinks he knows what he is talking about. However, these are just delusions made to feel that freedom, because that freedom will never come. Any experiments done are purely figments of the imagination, and are falsified to the highest degree. Nothing should be taken seriously from a crazy mans mind.
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Gone-and-Back wrote:[quote=entheogenic-gnosis] Could somebody please explain exactly what is meant here? Quote:mescaline (2.48% [± 0.19] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
-eg To me this means that the average was anywhere from 250-500mg of full spectrum extract per 100g of fresh plant material. Of that 250-500mg of extract, only 2.48 percent would be mescaline. So there would be anywhere from 6.2-12.4mg of mescaline per 100g of fresh plant. Bummer, that's what I thought. My wishful thinking caused me to hold the notion that out of the total alkaloids from 100g fresh material, 200-500mgs would be mescaline...though part of me knew this could not be correct ...bummer. 6-12mgs mescaline per 100g fresh plant really doesn't seem worth it...Though you would be receiving 200-500mgs of mixed phenethylamines, and this may still be enough to elicit psychedelia. I wish mescaline was more like the 2,5-dimethoxy-4-substituted-phenethylamines, which are active at 10-30mgs...as compared to 300-800mgs mescaline... -eg
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Heh, I bought a Turbinicarpus polaskii today, partly from this thread inspiring me but also because the little thing was so cute and beautiful. You'd need hundreds - if not thousands - of the poor, tiny things mentioned in the OP to get even a single dose of mesc. That said, they seem to flower when really small - and my specimen appears to have come with seeds attached. So for those of you who can't get hold of trichs or lophs there's sure to be a way. “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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Mescaline is a difficult compound in this sense, it's not produced in large quantities by any plant, yet it requires one of the highest doses in psychedelic compounds, 300-800mgs orally, this is a single persons dose... I even looked into similar natural compounds like Macromerine and nor-macromerine, but again, same deal roughly, these compounds don't occur in large quantities in the plant world and require large doses... ...Which furthers my argument that we need to get all the skilled chemists possible enthusiastic about producing these beautiful compounds. I could not find a chemical analysis of Turbinicarpus polaskii in trouts notes ( link below) https://archive.org/stre...cies_2014_Light_djvu.txtThese are fascinating little cacti, I got distracted when when of my trichocereus stalks turned to liquid and I had to run an extract on the useable cactus matter, I also had 5 pups to let heal and replant...regardless, I was distracted from my plans of obtaining a sample of these cacti. -eg
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Quote:Turbinicarpus pseudomacrochele var. krainzianus (Frank) Glass & Foster
Reported chemistry:
Phenethylamine (1.12% [± 0.13] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Tyramine (0.98% [± 0.18] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
N-Methyltyramine (Trace detected)
Hordenine (49.60% [± 0.55] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Mescaline (2.48% [± 0.19] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
N-Methylmescaline (3.27% [± 0.09] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids/ 100 gm of fresh plant)
N,N-Dimethylmescaline (2.89% [± 0.15] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids/ 100 gm of fresh plant)
O-Methylanhalidine (0.77% [± 0.04] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids/ 100 gm of fresh plant)
Anhalinine (29.24% [± 0.04] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Anhalonidine (2.44% [± 0.13] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Pellotine (0.36% [± 0.08] of total alkaloid fraction of 250-500 mg total alkaloids per 100 gm of fresh plant)
Štarha et al. 1999 Looks like a total alkaloid extract would be mostly Hordenine (49.60%), and Anhalinine (29.24%), then N-Methylmescaline (3.27%) then Mescaline (2.48%), then Anhalonidine and so on... 6-12mgs mescaline per 100g fresh plant matter = 60-120mgs per kilogram of fresh plant matter, 60-120mgs is not even a single person dose... Though on the plus side, it's fresh plant matter, which is heavy, so, what does 100g fresh cacti look like? A kilo? ...I'm still thinking it's not a viable source of mescaline, though the total alkaloid extract may still be psychoactive in some sense. -eg
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