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modernshamanism
#1 Posted : 7/21/2015 12:29:06 PM
Hello,
first I would like to share my latest Caapi experiences with you. I did 3x3h boil with dash of vinegar on each boil. First with 100g White Caapi (Wildharvested in Ucayali - Peru) and then with 250g Red Caapi (Harvested in April 2015 near Iquitos, Peru).

I started my experience with 40g of White Caapi, just to get familiar with this spirit. After 30 minutes I could feel mild effects, small shift of perception, warm in heart, sedation. No purge. Lasts for an hour or two. Little trouble falling asleep. No admixtures were added during the experience. I have to admit - I liked it.

Second time I took rest of White Caapi brew (so 60g) and I prepared 50g Chaliponga. I could feel first effects of Caapi almost instantly. Temperature shifts, sedation, but overall feeling good, calm and slightly psychedelic (but not weird). I was having internal self-talk, but I could swear I can feel strong Caapi influence in it.

Ah, one more thing. Lately I realised (after Rue/Psylocybin/THC experience), that not only we're "tripping" on psychedelics, but psychedelics are tripping on us as well. Since then I'm trying to make them "feel" comfortable. If they're getting hostile (especially mushrooms) - I'm trying to calm them down and explain them what's happening.

So, back to the point. I could feel, that Caapi is little shy and very careful. I continued self-talk getting some new insights. After 30 minutes I took around 8 g of Chaliponga. Another 30 minutes and I purged (well, I thought I did). 3 minutes of vomiting, that's all. I started to feel DMT, got "hard to catch" CEV and easier to spot OEV. After another hour I took another 8g of Chaliponga. Visuals get stronger, I could see circus theme in them. I didn't have more Caapi at the moment and I felt, that she's leaving. I felt very sad, went to sleep, but I took last 8g of Chaliponga. I still had visuals (very weak, but noticeable), but I couldn't feel Caapi anymore. All experience lasted for 5-6 hours with 2 hours peak, somewhere in the middle.

Next day I felt great. Some time later I prepared Red Caapi. I thought, that 50g will be good dose to start with. Don't get me wrong - I did my research. Red Caapi should be stronger than White. I knew that, but I wanted full blown experience this time.

I forgot to mention - I liked the taste of White Caapi and I did egg white clarification on Chaliponga so admixture was tasteless. Taste of Red Caapi was stronger (but brew was stronger, so I expected that).

So... I took 50g worth of brew in 3 minutes. After another 3 minutes I was already beyond my 60g White Caapi experience (not counting Chaliponga). 10 minutes later all my body was vibrating and the same was happening to my vision. 15 minutes in the experience and I got first OEVs (breathing and "flashes of chrome"Pleased. 18 minutes and I somehow managed to get to toilet (I was feeling extremely drunk). I purged for 15 minutes. I empty my stomach completely (I didn't eat anything in 20 hours, but there was still plenty to vomit). Effects of Caapi were getting stronger! Mostly physically, vibrations, temperature shifting, fast heartbeat, flashing view. I still had visuals, but they didn't improve. I spent 10 minutes in bed an I needed to purge again. This time I got rid off all acid from my stomach. 40 minutes of vomiting this time. Back to bed for 15 minutes and another purge was coming. Effects of Caapi stayed at the same level. Another purge, this time vomiting and diarrhea (not at the same time). At begging of third wave I got this thought, that I will purge total of 4 times. After this wave I just stayed in toilet. I was 2.5 hours in experience already, when last wave came. Mostly diarrhea, but some vomiting as well.

Three hours of violent purge and I could still feel very strong effects of Caapi. I would say 75% of peak. I waited another 40 minutes and at the point, where effects were still noticeable I took two, tiny sips of Chaliponga (I would say 1-2g max). After 30 minutes DMT started to work! Stronger than with White Caapi last time. I have this building across the street I call "Tryptamine Testing Facility". Basically, if I'm not sure about the effects I look at it and if it's covered with patterns - tryptamine work. It worked this time, even stronger than the last time. I could feel Caapi working for 4 hours at least and DMT for an hour. Today I feel much, much better and I can't look at junk food any more. My sense of smell works great, improvement is comparable to the moment when I quit smoking.

Wow, that's a long introduction to my question, but I needed that. Now, I will assume, that Red Caapi was strong, but how strong? Am I extra receptive to Caapi? If I take 25g of Red Caapi will it be enough to work as an iMAO?
I have 250g of Black Caapi and I know I will start with 15-20g dose, when I start working with it.

I wanted to share this experiences not only to ask those question but as well to warn other people. On other forums (and sometimes in here as well) people are suggesting 50-100g dose of Caapi for first time. I can't imagine myself after 100g of Red Caapi. I wasn't afraid even for a minute during my experience and I still could feel guidance coming from Caapi Spirit, but it was harsh. And again, I can't imagine what would happened if I would drink Caapi and Chaliponga at the same time...

EDIT: Fixed vendor quote.
 
Jees
#2 Posted : 7/21/2015 2:12:29 PM
OMG Pleased
Thanks for sharing.
I've some muricata sitting around (if that is what you're referring to as red caapi).
I'll be careful.
 
dg
Cacti expert
#3 Posted : 7/21/2015 2:42:20 PM
putting full quotes from a vendor website is similar to naming the source, because google.....
 
dg
Cacti expert
#4 Posted : 7/22/2015 12:43:34 AM
White Caapi (Wildharvested in Ucayali - Peru

even the above text takes you right to the vendor w/google search! haha

not that i really care, but we should shield these vendors whenever possible



 
concombres
#5 Posted : 7/22/2015 3:27:52 AM
^ yeah I have had the red you speak of & instantly knew the vendor by your description. Should be edited for their protection. Their good people & I don't think having them linked to a place where their products are used for something they directly state not to do would be appreciated much.
I saw someone post several pictures with a vendor name here not long ago in reference to how shredded bark should look & funny thing that vendor basically went private shortly after (litterally the next day mass email was sent out requiring account validation due to sudden influx of new customers).

Aside from that, all you can really do to get a feel for the strength of your caapi is extract from 50g before brewing.
I have had a handful of EXTREMELY overwhelming vine only experiences at 50g from vine i know is banisteriopsis caapi.
After extraction the yeilds were very high, 750mg + white/very light tan harmalas from 50g.
So that's my go to indicator of potency anymore before brewing.

You could start with 25g & work your way up, but extraction will provide a much more accurate idea of how potent your vine is.
 
 
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