So my friend just had the single most terrifying experience of his entire life.
I will try to make this as short a post as possible, and describe this the best I can. For my friend.
He has been expirementing with spice lately. It is fairly decent spice. X's, a little yellow, in some spots, but all of it is transparent.
Originally he made some enhanced leaf with parsley. It worked well. So he ordered what he thought was blue lotus, but later found out it was only lotus leaf, and of a different species. Still nucifera or w/e, but not blue. Then he made EL with this. This is when he first noticed this bizzare reaction. Upon the first, lightly heated hit, no issues. But if going for a second or third hit, basically if he burned it all the way, it would combust and smolder, making an audible hissing, and would give of tons of smoke, which tasted and felt "dirty". Thats the only way he can describe it. The smoke itself was very thick, velvety and soft, but it literally felt like there were tons of little pieces of dirt in it that he could feel in his mouth. He said when the combustion takes place, the ash would crawl upward out of the bowl, like little tentacles, which he thinks must be some sort of chemical reaction. It looks sort of like those black snake things u see around the fourth of july, the little black pucks you light, which then expand and grow into long black turd things. That is very similar to what happens in the bowl. Very alarming. He says.
So the first time this happened he felt slime in his mouth, along with a bunch of saliva, the slime felt like mucus. So he staggered to the bathroom the best he could to spit it out, and when he spit it in the sink he saw it was orange. When he spit it out, he noticed his tongue felt wierd and so he looked in the mirror, and it was slightly swollen, and really soft and mushy. He couldnt harden the tongue muscle, it just stayed mushy and swollen. Pretty alarming.
So he didnt smoke any more of it. But there may have been remnants in the bowl, which came back to haunt him a week or so later. Which brings us to a very recent point in time.
He took some parsley, loaded some into the bowl, a chillum with a very deep and narrow bowl head, shaped like a tornado or funnel. And it is VERY resinated, so you can see how some remnants of the bizzare lotus leaf may have gotten stuck in there. Every time he tokes he has to unplug the hole with a bobby pin. Anyway, he broke up maybe 40mg of X and put it on top, then more parsley. A less effective means of spicin, but works still. With this method, 40mg is not enough for his breakthru, but it is close. He felt real good about it, thinking it was gonna be awesome, he was very happy. Little did he know it was about to very badly. He lit it, just enough to get the dry parsley rollin, and took the biggest hit he could. He said on top of the spice and parsley taste, he could taste and feel that dirty smoke again, but he thought it was not a big deal and held the hit in for a very long time. When he blew it out he noticed his tongue touching the roof of his mouth when it shouldnt have been, and noticed it was getting harder to breathe. He also felt the goo in his mouth. He was very alarmed, and got up, and hastily staggered his way to the bathroom, pipe still in his hand. He spit the goo in the sink and it was orange with a hint of purple, he looked in the mirror and stuck his tongue out and it was VERY swollen, he tried to stick his tongue out like you do for the doctor, flat and down to the chin, and instead it was a big blob that took up his whole mouth, lip to lip. He was terrified at this point, mostly from not being able to breathe well, and started to panic. He tried to flatten his tongue out to see if it helped him breathe, it didnt, and when he took his hand away there was more of this goop on it. So he frantically rubbed more off with his hand, and was surprised at how much there was. It was not saliva, or at least, not just saliva, it was orangish clear goop. He felt a surge of panic and rushed to get his phone, and contemplated calling an ambulance. But he calmed himself and said he wouldnt call unless he absolutely could not breathe. A wise decision, considering he was in the throws of psychedelic mind state, although he wasnt tripping as hard as he thought he should have been. He could still clearly see everything is reality, with mostly just enhanced colors and detail, no noticeable oev's or heavy distortions. Anyway after grabbing his phone he grabbed a jug of distilled water and started frantically rinsing his mouth. He contemplated rinsing with iso thats how scary and bizzare and unknown this situation was to him. Obviously he would never do that. But thats how badly he wanted to get whatever this was out of his mouth. After a few rinses he examined his mouth, his tongue was a little less swollen but the crease in the middle was dark purple. Underneath his tongue was super dark red in spots, almost looked like he was bleeding. So he kept rinsing for several minutes, and after the effects of the spice had mostly worn off, he remembered he had mouthwash. So he rinsed with that. After maybe 10 minutes the swelling had nearly subsided completely, and after about 30 - 45 minutes his mouth looked completely normal. He said he feels fine, no noticeable side effects or anything bad, but he is definitely a bit worried. He has no idea what this could have been. Allergic reaction?
He was hoping the collective wisdom of the nexus may be able to provide some answers or clues.
Has anyone else ever noticed anything similar to this?
Does anyone here have any knowledge pertaining to these reactions?
He is very concerned, and appreciates any kind of input.
At the very least, he wanted this incident to be documented here, should this ever happen to anyone else.

Oh, also, he is a rather experienced traveler, and has had many spice journeys with no issues.
It wasnt until he made the enhanced lotus leaf that he noticed anything like this.

I have no idea what could have caused the reaction. It could be from the lotus leaf. I would clean the crap out of your pipe though, lots of hot water and acetone rinses! I hate to see all that resin go to waste, but you don't know where the allergy rests.

I would consult a doctor TBH. I have a friend that recently discovered she's allergic to bees. She's been stung many times in 30 some odd years, never once had a problem. Till one day she was stung and swelled up like a beach ball. The way the doc put it, your immune system takes it normally until one day it just over-reacts. The doc says the swelling is like a warning sign, and that the next sting could be life threatening.

I don't know what the case is here, but I'd take it seriously. It could just be something your plant does, or you may be allergic. I'd take some in to the doc's and tell him you consumed some 'lotus' (in a tea, perhaps?) And explain what happened. Perhaps they can test the plant for toxins or pesticides.

Be safe, always.
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Thanks for the response. The pipe is in its second hot iso soak as of now, nearly spotless. To make things simple, im just going to say me/i, instead of my friend. Although it surely wasnt me. Of course. I just hope, decades in the future when our rights are nil, they dont sift thru nsa servers looking for any kind of dirt they can on you. Whoever "they" might be. Wouldnt doubt it tho. Instead of fbi background check, it becomes nsa background check lulz. Anyway.
Im thinking it has to be the lotus leaf. And even though I should consult a physician, idk if I could. I'm not sure whether its the leaf, or the enhanced leaf. And I can smoke the first hit no problem, its when it actually burns all the way down to being "beat" that it begins to smolder and produce the peculiar smoke, which is what caused these symptoms. I had smoked it a few times without an issue. But I would just pack a little, burn it, enough for one good rip, and be done with it. But I was also using gvg on these previous, problem free excursions. So maybe it just didnt get hot enough to trigger the chemical reaction? That is what is really unsettling about it. That it smolders and the ash expands into this freaky tentacle scultpure. It is just like those black snake things. The smoke itself changes completely, from being spice + lotus flavor to straight up dirty ash taste.
All I know is this batch is trash lol.
Is there easy way to pull the goods out of the leaf and recollect? I mean ik I probably shouldnt with this particular leaf, but I have some other parsley EL that I am no longer impressed with. Powdery non re-x was used for it. So instead of letting it go to waste I thought I might try saving it. I was thinking of warm naphtha soak and then precip, but it would probably contain undesirables from the parsley. I may just try to mini a/b it. Do a vinegar water soak and proceed from there.

People should only worry when they put personal information on the 'net. And not even aboutnthe NSA. You know how easy it is to get recovery questions for websites from people's facebook pages?

That regretable decision made by hundreds of millions of senseless retards is what's wrong with people these days. But alas, it is only righteous to look down on the people you're lifting back up, heh.

If I was in your situation, would completely dessicate and powder the leaves, and soak them in minimal amounts of heptane.

LOL. I suppose you'd have to look down on them, in that position, to keep an eye on them as you aid them. The (not) posting of personal info is a good point. I always make sure the answers to my security questions (when im forced to set them up) are completely misleading. Basically not the true answer to the question, but a clever response that I would remember. I prefer not to have them at all though.
And I've been looking everywhere for the heptane (in the membrane!) but cannot find it anywhere : /
Heptane (in the brain!) would be such a luxury to have at this point, i really want to take all that I have and grow one big happy lattice.
Only goes so far when ur usin the ol' nasty nap for rex grows

Haha yeah, we all land face down at times. One popular brand mentioned here quite often is bestine. It's a non-issue to order online, I had to do it. Not having it readily available sure makes me treasure it a lil more though.

Awesome thanks : )
I have seen bestine mentioned before, but for some reason I was thinking it was hexane.
Guess I shoulda looked it up.
Thanks again