Hi all,

I wanted to post this under the proper thread but as I am not a full member I could not. Hopefully someone can help!


SWIM has done 69ron tek using limonene several times with up to 500g powdered cactus skins. As it has become harder to find powdered san pedro for him, he is going to try the fresh route for his next project ala Kash's A/B. Also, he was thinking that pre-powdered cactus skin may be more likely for LEA targeting and has overall gone down in quality over the years. He does not want to mess around with cutting, drying, and grinding the cactus to do 69ron (although he hates to see the gallon of limo he has sit around....)

Since he is planning to do ~15 lbs (12 ft) of cactus in two batches he is worried about scaling up the tek. He does not want to mess around with cutting, drying, and grinding the cactus to do 69ron since there is so much. Kash has scaled up with powder and the changed solvent amounts did not make much sense to SWIM. Also, SWIM is curious how many saltings of NPS layer will be necessary (in theory). Maybe go up to three and then just see the results?



Peace
MFTS

What type of cactus do you plan on working with?

SWIM is thinking San Pedro from a reputible US vendor. The idea is to make a large batch and bring for him and four friends for a music festival but to have extra for gifts. He is thinking to use some bridgesii for tea but is not familiar with the profile. He felt it would be better to try it that way than getting into extractions for now.

Thanks for any insight


Peace
MFTS

If you are using San Pedro, make sure to test it small scale first so you dont waste your money. Most pachanoi in the US is really pachanot, which yields next to nothing. I suggest doing that first, then make a decision from there whether you want to do large scale. May not be the answer you wanted to hear, but do you really want to risk a good chunk of money for a lot of work and no reward?

Also, bridgesii is FAR more reliable than pachanoi in terms of potency.

I see where you are coming from on the test-first end, definitely a valid point. I will be doing that. What are your thoughts on the profile of bridgesii? SWIM heard there are some MAOI components (which would be lost in the extraction). Will the extraction be much different for bridgesii (mucolage/emulsions, titrations, etc)?

SWIM was also thinking about peruvanis but has heard positive and negative things in regards to alkoloid content (e.g. varies widely).

Thanks for your wisdom.


Peace
MFTS

My friend has not worked with peruvianis personally but it seems to be pretty reliable if you know for sure it is peruvianis and not the cuzcoensis, which is sometimes confused.

Bridgesii is wonderful to work with, it seems to have a much more narrow alkaloid profile than pachanoi. Becuase of this the extraction seems to be less likely to form emulsions and the end product is usually more pure as well, requiring less cleaning. Downside of course is that it is a more pricey cacti, but worth it.

Glad to help, cacti are the greatest!