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Mikhail
#1 Posted : 1/11/2014 8:04:25 AM
Hello, I have attempted my first DMT extraction with ACRB and had a few questions.

I started off with a simple STB. I followed this one here exactly.


My final product didn't come out quite like that though. I did in total about 5 pulls I believe and only yielded about 50mg of nice yellow crystals once. This was on the second pull. The first pull I yielded around 30mg of light yellow wax and the rest I yielded a brown goo, which I have no problem with as it is still very active. The only dilemma I'm having is the amount. I'm not sure how much I should be getting total out of 75g of root bark but I feel like I should be getting more than I am. One problem may be that I performed the extraction in my basement during the winter. My basement already tends to be a lot colder than my upstairs so the cold weather made it even colder which made the naphtha that I was working with cold. I know that naphtha pulls up more alkaloids at higher temperatures so would the cold environment have affected the amount of DMT being pulled? Also, I let the naphtha sit in my base solution for an hour before I pulled it and was curious if time also affected the amount of DMT that is solved.

A little more detail on the procedure. I placed my 1st and 2nd pulls in the freezer each in separate containers. They were left in for about 12 hours and one jar had free floating crystals. I decided to evaporate one of them and that is when I yielded the waxy stuff. I left the other jar in the freezer until the next day. There were still no crystals forming on the bottom of the jar and there were no floaters this time so I decided to evap. This is when I yielded the yellow crystals. (preferably I would like to yield those again because they're just so nice looking Pleased)

I think my main issue may be the temperature problem I stated above as the naphtha is too cold to pull a lot of the DMT. Does this sound likely?

Thanks and Much love,
Mikhail

Update 1/11/2014, 5:15 PM: I warmed the naphtha in a warm water bath, added it to the lye/root bark mix and gently agitated for about 15 minutes, periodically venting the jar. When I pulled the naphtha it had a very noticeable yellow tinge to it. I compared it to a beaker of unused clear naphtha and there was definitely a difference in color. I'm sure the yellow coloring is from impurities but now I know the naphtha is pulling a lot more stuff. I placed it in the freezer to precipitate. Hoping to get a good yield Cool

Update 1/11/2014, 2:32 PM: No crystals precipitated so I decided to go ahead and evaporate. I got a very good amount of brown goo and wow!! Let me tell ya, this stuff is very active. Heating up the solvent definitely pulled a lot more goodies! Big grin
 
Entheogenerator
#2 Posted : 1/11/2014 9:08:09 AM
Yea, DMT is not very soluble in cold naphtha. That's why freeze-precipitation works. Do it in a warmer room, or keep your extraction vessel in a warm water bath while you are agitating and pulling. Siphon your pulls off and put them straight into your freeze-precip vessel.

That being said, I could never get STB to work with ACRB. Others seem to have had better results, but I tried pretty relentlessly and I couldn't produce anything except for one batch of mysterious crystals that were active, sort of, but they were much different than any DMT I had ever vaporized before and any I have vaporized since.
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cyb
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#3 Posted : 1/11/2014 9:34:01 AM
Tranzcentral wrote:
Yeah one hour is too long to leave your solvent in the extraction.

Not necessarily...
Leaving the solvent in the mix won't 'suck up' the molecules like a magnet.
The two layers must be thoroughly mixed together...transfer takes place by contact.

You can leave the solvent in the mix for as long as you wish...although if it just sitting there not much will happen...it will pick up some yellowing though as it dissolves more oils.

The time it takes to mix (and let separate), four times...is a rough indicator of how long for each pull IME. Smile
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Mikhail
#4 Posted : 1/11/2014 8:13:29 PM
Entheogenerator wrote:
Yea, DMT is not very soluble in cold naphtha. That's why freeze-precipitation works. Do it in a warmer room, or keep your extraction vessel in a warm water bath while you are agitating and pulling. Siphon your pulls off and put them straight into your freeze-precip vessel.

That being said, I could never get STB to work with ACRB. Others seem to have had better results, but I tried pretty relentlessly and I couldn't produce anything except for one batch of mysterious crystals that were active, sort of, but they were much different than any DMT I had ever vaporized before and any I have vaporized since.



Ok, I'll try the warm water bath and see if that makes a difference. My next extraction attempt is going to be an A/B as I always read about those working better with ACRB.

Thanks, and I'll leave an update on my results.
 
Mikhail
#5 Posted : 1/11/2014 8:18:21 PM
Tranzcentral wrote:

Yeah one hour is too long to leave your solvent in the extraction.

15-20mins is plenty of time.Wink

Your extract should be warm, and your solvent hot, outside temps wont make a difference.

cyb wrote:
Not necessarily...
Leaving the solvent in the mix won't 'suck up' the molecules like a magnet.
The two layers must be thoroughly mixed together...transfer takes place by contact.

You can leave the solvent in the mix for as long as you wish...although if it just sitting there not much will happen...it will pick up some yellowing though as it dissolves more oils.

The time it takes to mix (and let separate), four times...is a rough indicator of how long for each pull IME. Smile


Ok! Thanks Smile
 
 
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