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Acacia confusia and b. caapi Options
 
cy6nu5
#1 Posted : 12/3/2013 2:30:57 PM
How would one go about making ayahuasca with powdered ACRB as an admixture?
All I've found have been Syrian rue methods and I prefer to use ayahuasca instead of Harmala.
I have read that in comparison to chacruna, ACRB has MUCH more dmt content. So a dosage and brief preparation walk through would probably benefit everyone.
If there IS an aya/ac brew method on here I can't find it.
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3rdI
#2 Posted : 12/3/2013 3:28:10 PM
just brew it up and then start by drinking a few grams, if it doesn't get you where you need to be then drink moar
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starway6
#3 Posted : 12/3/2013 4:12:53 PM
....Be carefull with dosage..itsreported to be quite strong...!
 
cy6nu5
#4 Posted : 12/4/2013 4:59:26 PM
Would it be possible to simply skip brewing and just eat the respective powders within an hour of each other?
I'm kind of afraid to screw up the concoction.
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3rdI
#5 Posted : 12/4/2013 5:04:13 PM
you can eat the powder if you want Sick but brewing up is boiling water in a pan, i think you can manage that
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cy6nu5
#6 Posted : 12/4/2013 5:07:51 PM
3rdI wrote:
you can eat the powder if you want Sick but brewing up is boiling water in a pan, i think you can manage that

Oh I can manage it. Doesn't mean I particularly want to do three pulls and hover over a stove for two hours at a time. But since its a powder would it be necessary to simmer for several hours, or could i manage with say, 45-hour a pull?
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3rdI
#7 Posted : 12/4/2013 7:20:52 PM
Well if you wanna drink you have to brew, the time of the brew is up to you, you might get away with less time but you might end up with a weak brew.

I'm of the persuasion that you get out what you put in.
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upload
#8 Posted : 12/4/2013 10:55:30 PM
[/quote]Oh I can manage it. Doesn't mean I particularly want to do three pulls and hover over a stove for two hours at a time. But since its a powder would it be necessary to simmer for several hours, or could i manage with say, 45-hour a pull? [/quote]

I did 3 two hr washes with good results (ACRB powder). My MAOI is Syrian rue seeds, ground...also 3 pulls, 2 hrs each. If you get the temp right, just barely at a boil, then you won't need to stand over the stove at all.
 
cy6nu5
#9 Posted : 12/4/2013 11:34:49 PM
upload wrote:
I did 3 two hr washes with good results (ACRB powder). My MAOI is Syrian rue seeds, ground...also 3 pulls, 2 hrs each. If you get the temp right, just barely at a boil, then you won't need to stand over the stove at all.

Have you ever made aya with b. caapi?
A better question, perhaps, is what is the function of keeping the two herbs separate? Do they break each other down in near-boiling water?
I'm kind of a dunce, as you can tell, at the whole idea of brewing ayahuasca. I can make DMT pure enough for personal use no problem, but it seems like there are so many different methods, and so much almost conflicting information...
Brew the herbs together/separately
Use W/X amount of root bark/use Y/Z amount of yag'e.
I want to be in a place where I can do real shamanic work with myself and my S.O., and still maintain the presence of mind to keep myself from doing things like OOH TOUCH THE BONFIRE. Of course, in said scenario, we'd have a tripsitter... But you get the idea.
I don't have enough reagents to play around with and guinea pig myself, and still work with my S.O.
Also, she's a newbie to the imaginal realms and I don't want to rape her brain with a heroic aya dose, while I can handle it, and she's in bat country swatting away demons and freaking the fuck out.
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upload
#10 Posted : 12/5/2013 2:36:14 AM
lol. A dunce? NOT I spent several days reading all the teks and brew methods before I realized I didn't even need a "tek" to make a brew. LOL. I wasn't interested in making crystals to smoke...anyway, all I can tell you is what has worked for me...

I've never used caapi...Syrian rue seeds were available so that's what I used

I have tried brewing the ACRB and rue together, but I ended up with a weak brew...or, more likely, by the time the rue kicked in, much of the dmt had already been eliminated from my system. So, based on only my limited experience, I would suggest you brew the ACRB and MAOI, whether it's caapi or rue, separately and drink them separately. I drink the rue first and the ACRB tea 45 mins later. I have zero experience with caapi

The ACRB dosage question...I used two tablespoons of ACRB powder and blasted off to a breakthrough experience. Again, I drank the rue about 40-45 minutes earlier. Wish I could help you more with the caapi question, but I just don't know...I've never used it
 
cy6nu5
#11 Posted : 12/5/2013 2:50:32 AM
upload wrote:
lol. A dunce? NOT I spent several days reading all the teks and brew methods before I realized I didn't even need a "tek" to make a brew. LOL. I wasn't interested in making crystals to smoke...anyway, all I can tell you is what has worked for me...

I've never used caapi...Syrian rue seeds were available so that's what I used

I have tried brewing the ACRB and rue together, but I ended up with a weak brew...or, more likely, by the time the rue kicked in, much of the dmt had already been eliminated from my system. So, based on only my limited experience, I would suggest you brew the ACRB and MAOI, whether it's caapi or rue, separately and drink them separately. I drink the rue first and the ACRB tea 45 mins later. I have zero experience with caapi

The ACRB dosage question...I used two tablespoons of ACRB powder and blasted off to a breakthrough experience. Again, I drank the rue about 40-45 minutes earlier. Wish I could help you more with the caapi question, but I just don't know...I've never used it

Seems like a completely reasonable idea. I've seen a lot of reports where people drink the admixture separately and some time after ingesting the MAOI, and knowing a bit of psycho-pharmaco-kinetics, having been on psychotropics like Ritalin, Lithium, and Seroquel, it seems like a generally good idea to let the MAOI take hold on your system before introducing what the MAOI is I'ing, so to speak.
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upload
#12 Posted : 12/5/2013 3:02:24 AM
yep...I believe I wasted much of the good stuff, because by the time the MAOI started doing its job, a good amount of goodies had already been eliminated. Well, when you do decide and try a ACRB/caapi combo, please post your results. I'm interested in trying caapi as it's the more traditional way to make an Aya brew. I hope your first brew results in a great experience! It was my second attempt that worked. Also, one more thing...my first brew didn't work, I believe, because I didn't use a mild acid to help the goodies escape. I used lemon juice (squeezed half a lemon) in each wash the second time, both for the ACRB and rue, and...WHAM! Some use a teaspoon of white vinegar in each wash.
 
cy6nu5
#13 Posted : 12/5/2013 3:12:32 AM
upload wrote:
yep...I believe I wasted much of the good stuff, because by the time the MAOI started doing its job, a good amount of goodies had already been eliminated. Well, when you do decide and try a ACRB/caapi combo, please post your results. I'm interested in trying caapi as it's the more traditional way to make an Aya brew. I hope your first brew results in a great experience! It was my second attempt that worked. Also, one more thing...my first brew didn't work, I believe, because I didn't use a mild acid to help the goodies escape. I used lemon juice (squeezed half a lemon) in each wash the second time, both for the ACRB and rue, and...WHAM! Some use a teaspoon of white vinegar in each wash.

So you feel that acidification increases extraction? I've read mixed reports on the matter.
Was the second experience modified by secondary ingestion of the DMT admixture, as well as acidification?
If so, then I would hedge a guess that it's not so much the acid as the allowance of the MAOI to activate that increased the potency of your experience.
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upload
#14 Posted : 12/5/2013 3:19:09 AM
No, the first and second attempts were exactly the same, with two exceptions;
1. I ground up the rue seeds the second time
2. I added the juice of 1/2 lemon to each wash, for the ACRB and the rue

After that wonderful breakthrough (2nd attempt), I started getting impatient and decided it might be quicker to brew and drink everything (ACRB + rue) at the same time. Then, disappointment. I believe the mild acid does help with the extraction, but that's just my opinion. No scientific proof. I only know it worked for me the second time...but not the first time
 
cy6nu5
#15 Posted : 12/5/2013 3:37:06 AM
upload wrote:
No, the first and second attempts were exactly the same, with two exceptions;
1. I ground up the rue seeds the second time
2. I added the juice of 1/2 lemon to each wash, for the ACRB and the rue

After that wonderful breakthrough (2nd attempt), I started getting impatient and decided it might be quicker to brew and drink everything (ACRB + rue) at the same time. Then, disappointment. I believe the mild acid does help with the extraction, but that's just my opinion. No scientific proof. I only know it worked for me the second time...but not the first time

Well it's a good thing I have plenty of citric acid on hand, mostly for extraction purposes.
I'm pretty certain that there's some validity to acidification. AFAIK, the typtamines in the root bark are started off as free-base, which is why you can smoke (a lot of) it and get a DMT experience.
Also, from a number of readings, the salt form is more readily bioavailable by oral administration than the free-base.
On the other side of the same coin, I've also read that just eating the extracted free-base with your MAOI of choice does just as well.
I'm not looking to pull any punches, so I'll probably acidify for good measure.
I don't doubt that using distilled water yields a better result either.
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cy6nu5
#16 Posted : 12/5/2013 3:39:41 AM
The only downside I can think of is that acidification reportedly makes it taste exponentially worse...
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upload
#17 Posted : 12/5/2013 3:42:42 AM
well, good luck with your brew. Post your successful recipe for ACRB powder/caapi, if you don't mind. I'm assuming your caapi is not powdered.. I'd really like to try it instead of the rue seeds... It's a more 'traditional' mix and I've read many reports that suggest caapi is a much better option
 
upload
#18 Posted : 12/5/2013 3:45:14 AM
cy6nu5 wrote:
The only downside I can think of is that acidification reportedly makes it taste exponentially worse...


yes. The taste was....YUCK! But, I saved my half lemons and held my nose while drinking, then squeezed some lemon juice in my mouth and swished real good. I still do that. lol. Also, reducing both the rue and ACRB tea down to a small amount really helps.
 
cy6nu5
#19 Posted : 12/6/2013 8:49:24 PM
upload wrote:
well, good luck with your brew. Post your successful recipe for ACRB powder/caapi, if you don't mind. I'm assuming your caapi is not powdered.. I'd really like to try it instead of the rue seeds... It's a more 'traditional' mix and I've read many reports that suggest caapi is a much better option

I have powdered vine, yes. I was planning on decanting and using the egg method to gather tannins, etc. I have plenty of coffee filters for grabbing all the powder. I was even considering using a tea bag.
Honestly it doesn't seem like there's any way to mess this up, only ways to make it more efficient. How much trouble can you get into, really, simmering in some water with a pinch of citric acid?
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upload
#20 Posted : 12/6/2013 9:10:18 PM
You're right, it should not be difficult, but my first brew didn't work. lol However, I didn't use any type of mild acid in that first brew and my rue seeds were not ground. After making those two changes, myy second attempt was an absolute success! Nice that you found ground caapi...most that I've seen is whole vine. How much of the caapi powder will you need? I understand it's more than the Syrian rue I've been using...
 
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