I'm just curious if anybody uses a real oil pipe (stem, bubble, hole) anymore? Aside from a test tube vape or lightbulb I only see people using GVG or pipe fittings. Is it just the stigma, lack of GOOD oil pipes, an inefficient method?

Not hating on whatever you choose to you use, I guess I'm just old fashioned or cheap.

Currently SWIM uses "The Machine", broke student right now, about to get a good oil pipe form a buddy thats blowing him one. SWIM would like to try out a GVG he always hears people talking about them.

I'm honestly pretty interested in the hearth stone glass pipes, they seem pretty simple and interesting and would make a great addition to a collection if nothing else. I was just curious if it's more of a 'cool new toy' thing or just a more efficient process, although my friend has never had any issue with heating or burning in even a $5 oil pipe, in fact quite the opposite.

There is just something beautiful about tickling glass with a light flame and watching while it bubbles and boils before releasing ever growing rings of spinning vapor.. Heat control is so easy to control too. Gotta love it when you can smell the the volatiles being released almost one at a time.

Let me know how that oil pipe comes out, it's always nice to see some beautiful and functional glass. Also makes me wish that I had a torch to use so I could put my skills to good use.


EDIT: On that note, would anybody actually be interested in quality, functional oil pipes? Not looking to open up a store but it would be nice to know if there is a potential market for them.

oil pipes are not that great for DMT.

It works perfect for bufo and I know more than a few old dead heads who prefer it (nothing scientific there) for dmt so I think it's a bit up to preference. It's used for a multitude of other drugs and as long as you are very easy with the flame you can keep from burning the contents.

Care to elaborate on your reasoning? I'm honestly curious of your opinion.

I am still convinced that, pound for pound, a standard oil pipe is the best way to smoke dmt. By pound for pound, I mean, it's the cheapest and easiest to use. They're easiest to clean, as they don't have screens or filters or any accessories. The advantage they have over pipes and bongs is that you can see what you're doing and how fast you're vaping. You can also plug the top hole to keep the vapor in if you'd like to take in a thick drag. This is just my theory, but the gvg MAY be slightly more efficient at vaping, but since oil pipes are so cheap and easy I like them. And I'm not even sure that the gvg is actually better at vaping because I seem to be able to break through just fine with one hit on an oil pipe. It was just a matter of learning how to smoke it most effectively.

The pipe I use now is like a standard straight oil pipe, except the glass curves to the right just before the bowl. It is designed this way so that if you hold the pipe up to your mouth with one hand, and with a lighter in the other, you will be able to see the bowl clearly while you're heating it. There's also a finger grip near the bowl for stability so the pipe won't slip or turn. It's basically an oil pipe with improved usage features.

I totally agree! A regular bic is perfect, the flame illuminates the material as you heat it and by simply changing distance and applying the flame evenly (i.e. rotate the flame!) you can control the heat well enough to boil off lighter aromatics and even separate the effects.if you have enough practice and patience (albeit not PERFECTY).

Best part is they are very cheap and replacable, it's also as easy as blasting the residue to clean it out or simply trashing it. It's practically foolproof if you aren't totally dense as to what you are supposed to be doing.

I'm glad to hear that the venerable 'ol oil pipe isn't dead! Your piece sounds sweet, definitely beats the gas station special lol

wow someone agrees. usually people hate oil pipes for some reason. i have to say though, a torch lighter is far superior to a regular lighter.

what do you mean by boil off lighter aromatics? is there something in your spice?

No matter what you always have some loss when using an oil pipe. When I realized this I decided to go ahead and try the gvg. I used a long stem oil pipe, that I bent and used in a bong. It worked really well and I def had the technique down.

After my gvg showed up and got a few uses I threw that oil pipe away. I don't get any waste, none is lost during the heating stage, it's much easier to load, and the heating process (conduction vs convection) really is much more efficient.

I seriously won't go back. My friend still uses an oil pipe and every once in awhile he gets a misfire and he uses more dmt than he would if he had a gvg. I was passionate about my previous method but if you use the gvg correctly it just seems right.

Just my experience.

I don't lose anything using an oil pipe. If you're talking about dmt vaping and escaping through the to hole, that problem is solved by putting a finger over the hole and releasing at the same time you inhale. I don't know how people can use bongs without losing a lot.

Before I got hold of my GVG I would have also said, oh an oil pipe works fine if you know what your are doing. Now that I've used the GVG I realize I was sorely mistaken, a meth tube will never give the quality of vapor and efficiency of a GVG; it simply will not. Not to mention the whole not having to feel and look like a tweeker bonus.

Before I leave off, I have one image for you, shattered molten glass burning into your face while you are in hyperspace, ER's see many many meth users every year do to this.

Just make changa/enhanced leaf or get a safe vaporization device.

The loss I am talking about is burning the dmt when you think your vaporizing it all. You are burning some no matter what, I didn't believe this either but you are. There's no amount of technique to avoid this.

I argued about it for a long while. After using the gvg all this time I see no benefit to using an oil pipe except for cost. Although I haven't needed to replace the gvg once so...

I don't understand the whole placing a finger over the hole thing. I never had that happen with my oil pipe. I go for one hit though so.

Good god I think I just got the worst image in my mind

The wooden vapor genie works fine as well, I have both and I use the wooden one when I am outdoors.

The downside to the wooden genie is you can't see the hit in the chamber. Although I have my technique down pretty well so this isnt an issue for me. The wooden genie is also cheaper and more durable so although the GVG is the gold standard, the wooden genie still does the trick and does it well. And for those of you with a penchant for the great outdoors like myself I recommend this method.

An oil pipe is like smoking out of bottle covered with foil imo. Its a garbage method, very inefficient, you have to be to careful heating and inhaling, unlike with the vapor genies you can rip them hard with lots of heat and get a clean smooth hit.

I prefer a regular lighter because it heats slower but still will reach needed temps. As far as the aromatics I was referring to the terpenes and flavanoids in good honey oil but was meant as an example of how well you can actually control the heat.

I'm at work atm but I'll read the rest of the replies later, def interested in everyones opinion.

Ok, well I don't see how you lose anything with an oil pipe and I believe he meant cover the mouth hole, not the carb hole. As for the tweaker part, people here shoot IV DMT so are they junkies? The oil pipe has been around longer than meth heads have been using it, it's how people used to vape hash oil back in the day.

As for the molten glass, use a regular lighter and the shit won't explode.. Also, toss your glass when it starts to lose shape or develops cracks. If you aren't an idiot and use common sense then it shouldn't be a problem.

A safe smoking device is one you know how to use correctly sir. Also, your GVG does waste some either through spillage, drip or condensation.. I haven't seen an oil pipe that loses any product, it all stays in the vapor bubble where it can he heated and smoked from later, it also doesn't really condense in a hot stem.

Take it from me, glass is pretty durable when it comes to heat, the exception being unannealed glass or glass that is poorly blown to begin with. If you refrain from using a torch lighter you should have no issue, a regluar lighter doesn't get hot enough to phase borosilicate but is plenty adequate to heat the product without wasting any.

Just so you guys know, the reason meth pipes explode is because the flame from a lighter or torch ignites the meth after entering the inlet hole. I'm not quit sure if dmt can ignite in the same way or not.

The loss from condensation is minimal, and it's not really loss if you retrieve it correct?

Dreamer is correct in his statement about seeming like a tweaker. It doesn't matter what they have been used for its what has been attached to them. Since swastikas are actually a symbol of positivity would you feel comfortable wearing it even though nazis also used it?

I don't think there is anything wrong with someone using any vaping method. But facts are facts, convection is always more efficient than conduction.

Interesting, never knew that but seems plausible with shake and bake becoming the norm.

I also agree about loss, it can all be reclaimed with heating the pipe so it isn't lost as much as migrated.

As far as seeming like a tweaker, I don't really care since I use it in private and anyone who has an issue with me using one once I explain the purpose is generally not welcome in my house if they decide to be so closed minded and quick to judge. As for swastikas, they are a bastardized and reversed form of the original Asiatic symbol, which to this day are still found and used in religious temples and articles. So no, in the correct representation and if worn in a tasteful manner, I would not be afraid of wearing that symbol. The issue is that too many people are quick to judge and make assumptions, which I believe makes an ass out of them, not me. That's not directed at anyone by the way.

And I agree about vaping method being a choice as well. There is no 'wrong' way if it works. Based on my experience though, I think people are way overestimating how much is destroyed/lost/wasted/whatever. It may just be that I'm magic or stupid but it seems to me to take way less of whatever and provides me with much more control over what I'm doing since I can see it.

I think you misunderstood my analogy. I care not what others think, but I grew up in a tweaker environment and the meth pipe thing, that's what it is used most commonly for so it reminds some of this, I felt that MY dmt needed it's own device. As do others.

I disagree with the 'no wrong way if it works' statement. Aluminium foil is a wrong way. There's no wrong way if it's safe.

I can see what's going on in my gvg so what's the difference? So when you get done vaping there is no residue left of any kind? Ever?

Asiatic? Hindus I used it and so did the Chinese around the same time, maybe a little before. Cool hoe a symbol is used across the globe at the some time with no communication, actually a bit odd.