If I were to make a tea out of 18 inches of bridgesii for only 5 hours and then freeze the cacti then thaw and boil again for 5-10 hours. What would be the result?

I've never tried that short of a brewing. I've heard tell from people tripping off their 4th and 5th pulls, so I think it takes a fair number of pulls to get all the goodies out. I understand a pressure cooker helps considerably with this.

Question.

So do you think if I pulled it a few more times that I could even potentially get a stronger trip then the first 5 hour pull?

Probably, but honestly I'm not the most experienced member here probably on this topic.

That length of time could work if you add a few more water changes. The goodies migrate the fastest into fresh water. When I make tea, I usually do 3 boils. The first is about 2 hours. The second about 4 hours, and the last is 8-10. The time needed could be lessened by more boils for shorter duration, but I do the lazy method using my crock pot. It works wonders! It gets it just to boiling, so I don't have to worry about burning it. They can be found at goodwill for a few bucks.

thanks for replies. so is there a quick way to tell whether or not you have extracted all the alks?

If the plant matter no longer tastes bitter that is an indication that you've gotten everything out.

thanks a ton. hopefully when I try in a few weeks-months it will work out

This approach doesn't always work because there can be bitter alkaloids in the plants, like Candicine, that are not water soluble, so while it is a good approach it can be misleading at times, so you know.

Interesting. So, would going by a time length be a better measurement to see when all the alks are extracted?

Yes, but he asked about bridgesii and there is no significant amount of candicine in bridgesii. http://www.erowid.org/pl...cti_guide_trichoce.shtml

Taste test for alks does work with bridgesii, SWIM has done it himself.

Thanks guys, I think I've been answered!

The tests there reflect the Agurell data, he did not test for candicine. I know of at least one very bitter pachanoi strain what has something bitter in it that does not come out and bridgesii is very poorly tested as a species. If I were to say that the bitterness test worked for pachanoi I would be incorrect, it works for some, but not all.

That data is outdated... it is from 1969 and doesn't show the quantitative and qualitative variations that more modern analysis is indicating.

Just saying, it might not work for all bridgesii clones. It doesn't for all pachanoi, I know that first hand.

I don't use prolonged boiling in most cases, but I know a lot of people that do.

Every cactus is different in alkaoidal profile, you don't just have mesc and its close cousins as well. IIRC, theres quinolones, and others been detected, along with phens like hordenine, and many others. Regardless of whether were talking aboot lophs, or the various active trichro's.

And while mesc may be heat stable in solution, usually acidic, who knows what happens to all the rest. Longer/shorter cooks, higher lower ph water, different polar solvent extraction methods, so many factors.

You'd have to have a education, a decent analytical lab, and the patience to do some studies to get any relatively probalistic generalizations about alk profiles and how prep method comes into play.

I will say, making a resin with iso, evapping and dissolving in hcl water, filtering and reducing, then basing with koh, limo pull/hcl water salt gives a hydroscopic alkaoid that is active. Its soluble in dry acetone, and won't crystalize unless you have the tools to make it do so under annhydrous conditions, as the hcl.

Cactus extractions are like pokemon, gotta try em all. Even when you find one that works really good, they're all unique and have their advantages/disadvantages in regards to preserving the natural alkaloidal profile of the specimen.

Just good fun in my expirence , though time consuming. But thats part of the cactus game, and makes it special in its own way.

Awesome.

make 2x 2.30 hrs instead of 5 hrs you will get more than 70% for sure, use lemon juice.pressure cookers are best and you would need a fraction of that time
interesting read about Candicine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candicine

Nice, oneisall gave the most straight forward answer -.-

well if you have good bridgesii, SWIM chops, freezes once, thaws, and visits Andromeda just on drinking the resulting meltwater.

BTW, this is an actual, verifiable, pedigreed SWIM, not one of these SWIM wannabes that give the real ones a bad name.
Afterwards, this SWIM dontates all the remaining pulp to the Needy, since he eats his vegetables raw.