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DPT / Syrian Rue - What They Call An "Ass Whooping". Options
 
TheAppleCore
#1 Posted : 1/9/2013 9:07:46 PM
2.5 g Syrian Rue cold tea, & 15 mg DPT HCl. I'm not sure why it was *so much more* intense than 2 g Syrian Rue tea and 15 mg DPT, but quite possibly because I ate a bit of bread and olive oil after the Rue this time, which helped my body absorb it much more thoroughly. Or maybe the extra 500 mg of Rue made all the difference.

It probably could've been a highly pleasurable trip if not for the intense nausea. I was bound and determined to escape the sickness - two fingers down the throat is all I need to say. Sadly, it seemed to relieve me not, and I was stuck.

I looked at myself in the bathroom mirror. I observed my "fucked up" expression. I was almost uncomfortable with my own reflection, as if it were some second self, judging me in some way. I spoke to myself, and all I could eke out sounded like the tired whisper of an ancient man. I suddenly imagined the vast distances of space that spanned out in every direction. In that moment, it was all nothing more than an enormous trap. The perfect storm.

I laid down, and began what felt like an interminable ride on some sort of twisted joke of a roller coaster, imagined by pure evil. My psychological processes were heavily affected. DPT had somehow wormed its way into my basic manner of thinking and perceiving in a very deep and fundamental way, and logic started to significantly break down.

Interestingly, I got to clearly observe the very phenomenon of psychedelics that I was describing earlier that day, which was the butterfly effect - a minor influence gradually developing and evolving within a system until it becomes a major transformation. Every time I had a thought, it would be magnified into the most extreme conceivable caricature of itself, so that literally every idea that passed into my consciousness gradually evolved into an unbearable chaos, until I "snapped" out of it, and the cycle would start again. For instance, I remember a thought about sex gradually turned into some sort of monstrous and demonic orgy that played out in my mind's eye, wherein everyone was screaming with masochistic painful pleasure.

On the plus side, it seemed that this painful process was at least giving me a very unique window into the cogs and gears of my mind. I was clearly observing visualizations of mental processes that normally remain hidden deep within the subconscious. Sadly, all logic and reasoning was so severely distorted that it was very, very difficult to retain anything sensible from the torrent of information. But, I do recall a couple of things. For example, I saw that, at least in some cases, this process of magnifying concepts to the extreme was a logical tool - I was instinctively using it in a process of reductio ad absurdum. I was imagining the most extreme consequences of hypothetical realities, and if these consequences were clearly absurd and impossible, I had grounds for dismissing the hypothesis.

I also remember some cool visions of the future. I remember a vision of a man looking into a computer screen, and it was a database of all intelligent life in the universe that had managed to tap into "hyperspace", and thus become a member of the trans-galactic alliance. Humans had tapped into hyperspace through DMT, but each of the countless life forms had done so through some very unique means or technologies. The man was swiping his fingers across the touch screen, and scrolling through a 3D visualization of the universe, and each locale of intelligent life was highlighted with a bright blue spot in the map.
 
Ilex
#2 Posted : 1/21/2013 7:47:22 AM
Thanks for this report, TheAppleCore. I've been mulling the idea of this very combination for a couple years now, ever since a small amount of DPT found its way to me. There is very little info on this combination, so I was very happy to see a first hand report. To be honest, I've always got a sinister sort of vibe from holding the DPT, and I was considering dosing more like 25 mg with syrian rue, I may adjust that amount downwards in light of your report. 15 mg, that's about one tenth of an oral dose for DPT! Pretty amazing potentiation.
 
nen888
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#3 Posted : 1/21/2013 9:44:21 AM
..yes thank you the Apple Core.!.important and not widely known information..
 
TheAppleCore
#4 Posted : 1/27/2013 4:34:32 AM
Ilex wrote:
15 mg, that's about one tenth of an oral dose for DPT! Pretty amazing potentiation.


Yes, but do note that the DPT was insufflated. I should've mentioned that in the OP.
 
Mindlusion
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#5 Posted : 1/27/2013 8:26:32 PM
Interesting report, I wouldn't doubt that the extra 500mg of rue made all the difference. The harmala dose seems to control that 'state of being' on a steep dosage-dependant curve.


I tried this combination. With a much smaller dose of harmalas, I was a bit weary, since DPT is well active on its own without an MAOI.

DPT is one of the most exciting tryptamine analogues that I have had the pleasure to experience.

Since my experiences with DPT, I've been very interested in the simple tryptamines, such as DMT, DET, DPT, and MET.

These chems are all similar in the sense that at the right dose they can flood your brain to the point where you reach a 'breakthrough state'

DET is one I'd like to see more information on.
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Dark_Star
#6 Posted : 1/27/2013 11:14:23 PM
They don't call it the "Diproyl Holy Ghost" for nothing. Big grin It's been almost a decade since I've last worked with DPT, but that material had a massive influence on me during the early years of my psychedelic career. IME not only does it provide a breakthrough experience, it also smashes the ego in a spectacular fashion. I also puked my guts out the first few times I took it. I believe that the taste is what really triggered that, along with the intensity. I'm really glad that you posted your experience here. It's been a long time since I was last inspired to look back & reflect on my DPT experiences. I also feel that it doesn't get the attention, nor the credit, that it deserves. Of all the RCs I sampled DPT was the only one that I feel holds up to the classics. It had that soul.....that special something. DPT is a very powerful, and at times harsh, teacher, but many lessons are there to be learned in that space.
“Was I a criminal? No. I was a good member of society. Only my society and the one making the laws are different.” - Owsley Stanley
 
embracethevoid
#7 Posted : 1/28/2013 12:56:58 AM
This experience blew my mind and sent me back to times gone by, where I traversed these very same mindspaces and got into the intergalactic community (YES, it's real, just like you and me).

It was such an inspiration that the reply I wrote out blossomed into its own thread:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=40524
 
chaosbydesign
#8 Posted : 4/7/2013 8:28:14 AM
I really enjoyed reading your experience. Smile DPT does indeed seem to attach itself to the most basic and root processes when it comes to perception; that's for sure. Though I've had some very interesting experiences with the full dose (DPT is the *only* other psychedelic besides DMT that actually distorts the open eye visual world as much as DMT does for me, which is interesting to experience for me as I don't tend to get many OEV's on psychedelics in general [then again I never base a trip on OEV levels- I am looking for something deeper- it's just fascinating for me since I'm not used to it]), I must say that DPT at a lower dose has been extremely therapeutic for me for just that reason- its quality of 'attaching to deep/basic perception'. This quality alone of DPT can really help to produce some unique and sometimes very helpful viewpoints when I might have a thought or situation bugging me that I need a new perspective on in order to let go of the issue. I think that, though DMT is wonderful and unique in so many ways, DPT makes it more possible to do immediate self work, as one retains a *small* shard of normalcy *somewhere*... perhaps because the whole experience is slowed down. Thanks for sharing Smile Have you ever tried smoking DMT while on DPT? That has got to have produced one of the most pleasantly egoless and dreamlike psychedelic experiences I have ever had. ^_^
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chaosbydesign
#9 Posted : 4/7/2013 8:32:46 AM
Also another reason I appreciate your post is that I have been entertaining the idea of insufflating about the same dose of DPT with harmaline. I was searching google for these kinds of experiences and didn't find a whole lot. What you've shared helps a lot. Very happy
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Pandora
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#10 Posted : 4/7/2013 9:48:11 AM
Thank you TheAppleCore for sharing this amazing experience with us.

I have never ever heard of DPT HCl working orally before . . . It sorely temps me to try it again. I did not enjoy the ROA of insufflation with my previous experiments.

Have you done this many times before? Does it always work? Do you consume them together? 15 mgs DPT sounds like such a low does - I'm surprised it is active with any ROA. . .

Again, thanks for sharing this and I look forward to reading your response(s) . . .
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chaosbydesign
#11 Posted : 4/7/2013 12:26:19 PM
Pandora wrote:
15 mgs DPT sounds like such a low does - I'm surprised it is active with any ROA. .


I know you weren't asking me, but I just wanted to offer my 2 cents.. Smile I know from reading erowid and many trip reports that sensitivity to DPT dose tends to vary extensively... notably more than with most other psychedelics. I can attest to 15mg DPT insufflated doing plenty for me personally... and some other people seem to need 200mg on the other hand.
I am also Psychedaniellia (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=profile&u=15453 ) on here, apparently. I didn't mean to make two accounts… :/

According to a lot of other peoples' signatures, every statement and story told on this website seems to be fabricated. And on account of the supreme weirdness of life, I must agree and do testify to this! :]
 
 
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