This isn't a drug chasing thing. I've been ingesting mescaline cacti for a couple years now. They have all been trichocereus. I've never tried peyote.

I had a vivid dream the other night of just colors and geometric shapes slowly moving about calmly. I thought it to be significant somehow, but wasn't sure how.

I was on youtube the other day, and was looking at something, and noticed something in the suggestion links on the left side of the screen that reminded me of the colors and shapes in my dream. In further investigating, I saw that it was a link to some peyote songs. I've since found many more and have really been enjoying them.

I can't help but wonder if this dream led me to this music for a reason.

I know that entrance to the NAC isn't something that one can easily find information about in the internet. There is probably good reason for this, as I would have sought it out earlier in my life when I would have just seen it as a drug experience. I feel like I've reached a point in my life where I could really experience it.

If anyone can share any info with me, I would appreciate it. I know of the peyote way church but it seemed kinda different from what I think I'm looking for, but I don't really know much about it. I DO have some native american blood, from both sides of my family, but very little, probably too little to qualify as a native.

Please feel free to respond in the form of a private message if you are more comfortable with that.

Not all the NAC are the same. There is the half moon fireplace NAC that is more traditional and not a christian version of the NAC..and then there is the cross fireplace that is a christian take on the NAC. So you should be aware of that in case you are looking for something specific.

I have always been interested in the half moon fireplace NAC.

I have tried somewhat to find the NAC in vancouver. I know they are here but they dont advertise the way ayahuasca is advertised etc..which is a good thing I think. I think they are big up in kamloops a few hours from vancouver also but I never really looked into it past that.

I am sure there must be some in washington..maybe not in seattle but up in the interior I would guess they would be around.

There used to be a peyote forum on tribes. Maybe someone there would know more.

I feel torn over this issue. Really I dont want to go play indian..but then again what the hell does that even mean? I dont want to just show up like some intruder and be like "hey can I eat some peyote with you?" So I dont even know how to appraoch this whole thing. I often feel like kicking myself for not seeking this out when I was still an anthropology student before I left school..back then I could have had some connections to make something like this happen. I could have contacted them saying I am an anthropology student studying traditional healing and magickal traditions and I would like to attend ceremony..Id feel less weird with that appraoch. At this point to them I am probly just some white guy whos taken mass ammounts of different psychedelic plants lol. If you end up seeing this through please keep us informed. Good luck.

I dunno what is up with the peyote way church..I do know that they are not much liked by the NAC from what I have read on tribes. I dont think the NAC charges money. Peyote Way you pay a bunch of money to eat peyote all alone. Not saying it's bad or that they should give their peyote away free..but It seems to cause some level of divide.

I have always suspected at some point I would find my way to a NAC ceremony. I do know some people still though an old friend that are NA..though they seem to do work with the daime now. Maybe I should ask them.

what about peyote intrigues you?
novelty? something new?

or is it the system and network of people?



this cat practices cactus in such a way a network of people and techniques manifests
he is sure someday his path will align with another who practices genuine entheogens, perhaps then the peyote door will open

I think it's the music and the concept of partaking in a "traditional" group setting. I would even love to go to one just to experience it even if I didn't eat any peyote.

I was raised with a reverence for other cultures. The elementary school was a hippie private school that was pretty new agey. We dedicated quite a bit of time to Native American studies and one of my favorite teachers used to tell me stories about living on the a Navajo reservation back in the day.

I've also lived in the Pacific Northwest for long enough to have many of my illusions of the "noble savage" shattered many times. It's a shame to see people suffer so much because of our system being imposed upon them. Western culture doesn't seem to have agreed particularly well with the local tribes. Alcoholism and drug use are major problems, as well as child and spousal abuse.

But I think maybe the tables are turning. The West has spent much time and energy teaching our sytem to the native americans, now maybe it's time for the West to accept their knowledge before it's too late and it's all gone.

I've read of a ceremony that happened on the local rez, but I wouldn't know how to find out about such a thing or to be invited. I think I'm gonna start asking some of the older native folks who come into my work. I work at a plant shop, so it's easy to sneak in the subject of peyote.

I know what you mean Jamie about feeling a little funny about the whole thing, but I've been listening to some speaches by some of the native chiefs recently, and it seems they believe the time has come to share their wisdom with us rather than despising us. True wisdom is to accept what has happened and what is, and move forward together as a people. A rainbow people.

Lot depends on what "they" consider their wisdom to be share-able with "us".

I don't expect "they" go full disclosure all the way, or maybe you heard of something like that? That would be serious change in attitude.

It's my opinion that a time of radical change is upon us.

You may dismiss my thoughts as naive, but I've been on this planet for a while now. I can see it.

I expressed myself little imprudent, sorry.

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Should have been better expressed like:

Lot depends on what part of their wisdom they are ready to share with us.

I'm with you on the "change" thing for sure, I think they should not hold back and do their best to educate us.

The traditional peyote ceremony is beautiful. I've been lead through the Mexican traditional ceremony, with a traveling shaman. I do not know how to find his schedule, but I would love to join his ceremonies again. In central america I know there are places to join ceremonies, just need to hang with the right communities.

I would love to partake in one myself. Supposedly there is one in my state's capitol but it is a few hours away. I really wish we could come the point in time where the ceremonies are available for the public under guide lines that make the situation safe and reliable. Is anyone here a member of a Church? Please do share information if you are!

^unless you are native american I think you will have trouble in most states find NAC ceremonies. I cant say for sure but most places in the US it is illegal for non natives to participate in the peyote ceremonies, unless maybe they dont eat the peyote...in canada thats a whole other story though

I just checked out a few nice clusters of live buttons in a shop near me..they are soo $$ though..standing there inches away from them gave off a nice vibe though ..and they had them under the crappiest light system. I felt like I had to rescue them from that place..

I actually have a large % of native american in me. My grandmother was close to 50%.

I was blessed enough to experience my first ceremony on New Years Eve. It was in no way easy or recreational; think 14 hours in a teepee overnight while it snowed outside. The experience was very beautiful, though, and brought up a lot of things that I was able to work through that I didn't even realize had been troubling me.

I would advise seeking out sweat lodges and similar NAC-style ceremonies. Obviously the medicine is not going to be advertised or even available at all in most circles, but having experience with the prayers and knowing how to show respect will at least increase the chances of being admitted to a peyote ceremony should you encounter a group that is having one. Furthermore these ways are beautiful in their own right and work miraculously to help people live in a good and simple way.

Nicely Said.

..and it takes time to get to know people, build mutual trust..

Traditionally you find the 'Roadman', tell him why you need medicine, and he or she asks the ceremony holders..

like the plant itself such ways are increasingly endangered..