There's really not much info given here, but the frequent (and wrong) comparison of DMT extraction with the hazards of synthesizing meth rears its head again, this time providing the ammunition/context for why this is so dangerous as to warrant child endangerment charges. Quote:ROSEBURG, Ore. -- Two men were arrested Wednesday afternoon after police found a lab brewing the drug DMT in a house with three children under the age of 5 present.
The Douglas Interagency Narcotics Team served a search warrant at a home on Wharton Street in Roseburg, where they say they found a drug lab.
Jared Wilson, 24, and Jessey Smith, 30, were arrested for allegedly making DMT.
The drug is a hallucinogen similar to LSD but is made in a way similar to meth, which makes a DMT lab extremely dangerous.
DINT officials say this is the first time they've come across this drug.
Curt Strickland, the DINT commander, says that the house has been quarantined until an environmental crew can clear the home.
The two were charged with unlawful manufacture and possession of a controlled substance within a thousand feet of a school.
There were three children, all under the age of 5 living at the house, so both men were also charged with three counts of endangering the welfare of a child. ArticleWiki • Attitude • FAQThe Nexian • Nexus Research • The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. גם זה יעבור
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That sux...  And if they have links to the Nexus on their computer....that's the sort of cop 'Guest' we don't want prying...  Please do not PM tek related questions Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
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Just out of curiosity, since I know nothing about meth production other than what I see on Breaking Bad, how similar actually is DMT extraction to making meth? I assume getting meth involves much more than just doing an A/B extraction. Images of broken light,
Which dance before me like a million eyes,
They call me on and on...
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<Ringworm>hehehe, it's all fun and games till someone loses an "I"
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Hmmm...
I know nothing about making meth (other than pseudoephedrine being an important ingredient), so I typed into google: * why are meth labs dangerous * and got a lot of sites...which seem to consist mostly of the SAME VAGUE BALONEY we see in news reports about "DMT labs."
Which leads me to conclude that maybe "DMT labs" ARE about as dangerous as "meth labs"
....and that neither one is really "extraordinarily" dangerous.
The most dangerous thing about a "DMT lab" is probably bottles filled with strong bases (and it wouldn't be very nice, indeed, to think of such a jar being tipped over by a little kid).
But, since the product used is--more or less--drain cleaner, it's hard to think of that in terms of "extraordinary" danger...since drain cleaner is pretty ordinary.
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afaik (and i don't know too much) meth labs are far more dangerous than a simple DMT extraction...There have been several cases where meth labs actually exploded and harmed or killed people. The process through which meth is made isn't even comparable to a dmt extraction anyways iirc
<Ringworm>hehehe, it's all fun and games till someone loses an "I"
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universecannon wrote:afaik (and i don't know too much) Well, that's the point--you don't know much. Probably like most people your "knowledge" of the danger of meth labs comes from news reports. Might it be that such knowledge is just as dishonestly presented as news reports about "DMT labs?" I tried to test this by my google search, and was quite surprised to find VERY MINIMAL CONTENT readily available to describe why "meth labs are dangerous." Mostly what I found out was about the danger of a "urine-like odor." LOL
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Now I typed in * Why do meth labs explode * and was directed here, where I learned they explode because of volatile solvents evaporating in an enclosed area. Doesn't sound like much to me--you could get that cleaning house if you were careless enough. How many HOUSES explode because of gas leaks? Perhaps more than do because of meth labs... EDIT: Just to be clear, my POINT is that news reports of the dangers of other drugs are perhaps JUST AS MUCH BALONEY (ignoring for the moment the fact that some drugs ARE often destructive to many users) as they clearly are about DMT.
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not ignoring for any moment that there is meth in meth labs - any chemical that is orally or topically active would make an accidental interaction more dangerous for anybody.
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i was more just addressing this line of reasoning of yours: "I know nothing about making meth (other than pseudoephedrine being an important ingredient), so I typed into google: * why are meth labs dangerous * and got a lot of sites...which seem to consist mostly of the SAME VAGUE BALONEY we see in news reports about "DMT labs." "Which leads me to conclude that maybe "DMT labs" ARE about as dangerous as "meth labs" " Which IMO isn't really solid reasoning, considering that meth labs have resulted in injuries and even death in some cases that i've read. I've never heard of any life threatening injuries or deaths involved with dmt extractions, or explosions for that matter. Yes, a lot of the dangers surrounding both are probably exaggerated or are complete baloney..that goes without saying given the way our media slants things..but that doesn't mean there is the same level of danger involved
<Ringworm>hehehe, it's all fun and games till someone loses an "I"
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SWIMfriend wrote:Now I typed in * Why do meth labs explode * and was directed here, where I learned they explode because of volatile solvents evaporating in an enclosed area. I'm pretty sure the "shake and bake" process could be compared to creating a pipe bomb, if you don't have proper ventilation for the apparatus. Not disputing that the media generally produces baloney re: drugs, but merely pointing out that, afaik, there is decent evidence that meth production is inherently more dangerous than DMT extraction. Wiki • Attitude • FAQThe Nexian • Nexus Research • The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. גם זה יעבור
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I've read about a few of these raids on home extractions but never read about what happens afterwards, does angone know what kind of sentences are being handed out to these unfortunate psychnaughts? INHALE, SURVIVE, ADAPT it's all in your mind, but what's your mind??? fool of the year
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SnozzleBerry wrote:...there is decent evidence that meth production is inherently more dangerous than DMT extraction. OK. But I'll continue to hold the idea that a large percentage of police action (like being suited up as though an alien landing had occurred) and news reporting is opera--all part of the important "war on drugs."
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universecannon wrote:i was more just addressing this line of reasoning of yours: "I know nothing about making meth (other than pseudoephedrine being an important ingredient), so I typed into google: * why are meth labs dangerous * and got a lot of sites...which seem to consist mostly of the SAME VAGUE BALONEY we see in news reports about "DMT labs."
"Which leads me to conclude that maybe "DMT labs" ARE about as dangerous as "meth labs" "
Which IMO isn't really solid reasoning, considering that meth labs have resulted in injuries and even death in some cases that i've read. I've never heard of any life threatening injuries or deaths involved with dmt extractions, or explosions for that matter. Yes, a lot of the dangers surrounding both are probably exaggerated or are complete baloney..that goes without saying given the way our media slants things..but that doesn't mean there is the same level of danger involved I was trying to point out the irony of DMT advocates bemoaning (accurately) the silliness of news reports about DMT while themselves holding as accurate ideas they've acquired from news reports about other drugs. If anything, the ABSURDITY of news reports about DMT are a good lesson about the techniques and extent of propaganda.
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That is a good question 3rdI. I feel like this depends highly on the part of the country it happens in. The thing about this article which strikes me as odd is there is no mention of distribution, what gave the authorities the right to warrant a search? How did they become aware of this "lab"? The photos give no inclination to the production of large quantities, just a small setup of jars. This one is sort of boggling my mind, they must have been keeping a close eye on these guys but why?
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Frusciante wrote:That is a good question 3rdI. I feel like this depends highly on the part of the country it happens in. The thing about this article which strikes me as odd is there is no mention of distribution, what gave the authorities the right to warrant a search? How did they become aware of this "lab"? The photos give no inclination to the production of large quantities, just a small setup of jars. This one is sort of boggling my mind, they must have been keeping a close eye on these guys but why? This is almost surely a case of the wrong person getting the information ("Joe said he goes to outer space on that DMT stuff--he makes it himself in jars right at his own kitchen table" ) and calling police. With such information from a "reliable informant," police can easily get a search warrant. The truth is, if you're careful about what you say (and to whom you say it), and you keep your activities hidden (and you don't SELL DRUGS), the odds of being searched or arrested are essentially zero.
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Yes...and their rights to federal school loans, many legal rights (to buy a gun, for example), and many job opportunities are now FOREVER prohibited to them...
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I fully agree that these guys had to be doing something wrong to attract law enforcement attention in the first place, and they really really should not have been running extractions with children in the home. As far as the comparison to meth labs, I'm pretty sure hydrocarbon solvents and lye are used in the synthing of meth. So when the police, who have seen more than their fair share of meth labs, come in and see a bunch of drain cleaner and paint thinner sitting around; it's fairly reasonable that they would make that comparison. This is a big reason I'm an advocate for the hippie salad oil teks, because paint thinner and drain cleaner are sketchy to have around and dangerous to work with. I can't help but think they would have a hard time pinning child endangerment charges on pickling lime and vegetable oil. This is an unfortunate case and a good reminder to be mindful of your actions if you are working with these substances.
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It is sad swimfriend, but 3 years probation and a felony on their record is a slap on the wrist in comparison to what could have been. These kids were quite lucky in my opinion, I'm sure age and minimal previous record played a role in that decision as well.
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