Is the sun inside the Universe? "Yes." Are the planets inside the Universe? "Yes." So the Earth is inside the Universe? "Yes." Are the rocks and oceans inside the Universe? "Yes." Are the animals and plants inside the Universe? "Yes." Are YOU inside the Universe? "Yes." ARE YOU CONSCIOUS? Your address is the Universe, the Universe is Everything. Your identity is the Universe. You are Everything experiencing a part of itself. The leading edge of 14 billion years of progression into complexity and diversity. lets bring that into the front of our every day awareness. Om. May all the beings in all the worlds be happy and at peace. All information sought on this website is on behalf of a friend. The use of "I" is only to enable ease of communication.
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or to take a more erotic look at it..we were big(gang)banged into existence and are now parts of the universe playing with itself. :]
<Ringworm>hehehe, it's all fun and games till someone loses an "I"
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my construct of the universe is the collection of galaxys and beyond; everything in our reality if you will.
but just because something is in our reality, doesnt mean it is all one with one and other. and more importantly, it doesnt mean that everything in our reality can do the sae thing?
when i walk in to a stadium, i dont point at a chair and tell everyone its a stadium? or look at a player on the field and say "this stadium is great at kicking a ball"
a door handle is part of a car, do you look at a car and think it opens doors? the sum of somethings parts doesnt necessarily have the ability/ functions of its smaller bits.
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Well the universe isnt really "everything" but it is composed of everything. the universe is just a word for the whole of something. The body of something. Like you, you have a body that makes up everything that is you. You are self-aware, your arm is part of that body. Is your arm self aware as well? Apart from your own self awareness? I don't think that atoms are self aware. I think the whole self-aware thing requires an extra thing that we havent been able to measure yet, a soul/spirit/energy. I also believe that not everything has one of these. Like rocks for example. "Energy flows where attention goes" [Please review the forum Wiki and FAQ before posting questions]
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Biskotso wrote:ARE YOU CONSCIOUS? That's the question. What do you think? What is consciousness? Awareness? Could it not just be a perceived idea, an illusion created by our own chemicals and synapses ? Perhaps the entire universe is completely unconscious? Art Van D'lay wrote:Smoalk. It. And. See.
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The universe started as a single point. This means that everything in it, you, me, galaxies billions of light years away, all used to be contained in one single point. Everything began as one, but who's to say the universe is not still located within one point? I suppose I could be considered a pantheist, as I believe the universe itself is comprised of consciousness. Be an adult only when necessary.
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Mr.Peabody wrote:The universe started as a single point. are you sure? INHALE, SURVIVE, ADAPT it's all in your mind, but what's your mind??? fool of the year
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Who's to say we are conscious, and what does that term mean? What if any perceived structure/organization in the universe indicating consciousness/self awareness is just a Freudian self rationalization of something that defies tangibility due to its inherent infinite scale? Occam's razor, is the universe self aware, and conscious indicating intelligence of some sort, or do people choose to see it that way to make its chaotic nature seem more palatable/tangible? Cognitive dissonance in simpler terms. "let those who have talked to the elves, find each other and band together" -TMK
In a society in which nearly everybody is dominated by somebody else's mind or by a disembodied mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to learn the truth about the activities of governments and corporations, about the quality or value of products, or about the health of one's own place and economy. In such a society, also, our private economies will depend less upon the private ownership of real, usable property, and more upon property that is institutional and abstract, beyond individual control, such as money, insurance policies, certificates of deposit, stocks, etc. And as our private economies become more abstract, the mutual, free helps and pleasures of family and community life will be supplanted by a kind of displaced citizenship and by commerce with impersonal and self-interested suppliers... The great enemy of freedom is the alignment of political power with wealth. This alignment destroys the commonwealth - that is, the natural wealth of localities and the local economies of household, neighborhood, and community - and so destroys democracy, of which the commonwealth is the foundation and practical means.” - Wendell Berry
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3rdI wrote:Mr.Peabody wrote:The universe started as a single point. are you sure? Well, of course you have to make an assumption based on the evidence to arrive at this conclusion. Although, I do concede all of the "evidence" for much of human history said the Sun orbits Earth, but we know how that one turned out! Be an adult only when necessary.
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Everything that exists is connected and interdependent, it is through this interdependence that consciousness comes into being. Though I have come to this conceptual understanding through my own inherent experience. I truly think that it would be difficult to prove this to anyone as with profound knowledge that strikes a chord within you, it is learnt through your own experience rather than it being proved to you... Much Peace and Happiness
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My feeling is that there is a novel form of awareness that permeates everything in physical reality, including us. Everything is made from this sacred awareness. And we as a form of conscious beings are like lens's.
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anrchy wrote: I don't think that atoms are self aware. I think the whole self-aware thing requires an extra thing that we havent been able to measure yet, a soul/spirit/energy. I also believe that not everything has one of these. Like rocks for example.
Two uncharged particles in a vacuum are aware of each other via van der Walls interactions. Two charged particles are aware of each other via charge-charge and charge-dipole interactions. The concept of a 'self' is nothing more than an ephemeral thought. Can you point to the exact location that the though 'I', 'me', 'mine', or 'self' arose from? Is it real? Is it tangible? Is it permanent? Is it perfectly under your control? Are you certain there is a 'self' to be self aware off? If so where is it located? Perhaps it would be best to first define 'self' then to define 'self awareness'. From my vantage point there is only awareness and no such thing as self awareness because I can't find the location of a self at all. Oh sure I have thoughts of 'I', 'me', and 'mine' pop into my head all the time, but then they vanish just as fast. The 'self' I have refereed to my entire life has been a changing entity. Surely I'm not the same self at 38 that I was at 8... What is this self? If I can't point to the location of the thought and I can't control when it arises then is it really correct to call it 'myself'....doesn't really seem like it is. Awareness is the fundamental 'particle' of the universe... There is nothing in the universe that lacks basic rudimentary awareness. Nothing. If your religion, faith, devotion, or self proclaimed spirituality is not directly leading to an increase in kindness, empathy, compassion and tolerance for others then you have been misled.
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Biskotso wrote:Is the sun inside the Universe? "Yes." Are the planets inside the Universe? "Yes." So the Earth is inside the Universe? "Yes." Are the rocks and oceans inside the Universe? "Yes." Are the animals and plants inside the Universe? "Yes." Are YOU inside the Universe? "Yes." ARE YOU CONSCIOUS? Your address is the Universe, the Universe is Everything. Your identity is the Universe. You are Everything experiencing a part of itself. The leading edge of 14 billion years of progression into complexity and diversity. lets bring that into the front of our every day awareness. Om. I agree
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joedirt wrote:anrchy wrote: I don't think that atoms are self aware. I think the whole self-aware thing requires an extra thing that we havent been able to measure yet, a soul/spirit/energy. I also believe that not everything has one of these. Like rocks for example.
Two uncharged particles in a vacuum are aware of each other via van der Walls interactions. Two charged particles are aware of each other via charge-charge and charge-dipole interactions. The concept of a 'self' is nothing more than an ephemeral thought. Can you point to the exact location that the though 'I', 'me', 'mine', or 'self' arose from? Is it real? Is it tangible? Is it permanent? Is it perfectly under your control? Are you certain there is a 'self' to be self aware off? If so where is it located? Perhaps it would be best to first define 'self' then to define 'self awareness'. From my vantage point there is only awareness and no such thing as self awareness because I can't find the location of a self at all. Oh sure I have thoughts of 'I', 'me', and 'mine' pop into my head all the time, but then they vanish just as fast. The 'self' I have refereed to my entire life has been a changing entity. Surely I'm not the same self at 38 that I was at 8... What is this self? If I can't point to the location of the thought and I can't control when it arises then is it really correct to call it 'myself'....doesn't really seem like it is. Awareness is the fundamental 'particle' of the universe... There is nothing in the universe that lacks basic rudimentary awareness. Nothing. I vibe with this mucho <3
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Aegle wrote:Everything that exists is connected and interdependent, it is through this interdependence that consciousness comes into being. Though I have come to this conceptual understanding through my own inherent experience.
I truly think that it would be difficult to prove this to anyone as with profound knowledge that strikes a chord within you, it is learnt through your own experience rather than it being proved to you...
Much Peace and Happiness Clear Light of the Void http://itisnotreal.com/awareness-of-the-void.html
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