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Eliyahu
#1 Posted : 6/23/2012 2:19:45 AM
PRE-CONDITIONS

I had taken Ayahuasca two times prior to this occasion, the first time I did it put way too much Syrian rue in the brew and I ended up throwing up more than 15 times. The hyper anxiety of the trip came complete with high velocity projectile diarrhea.

(Dose was 10 grams of rue, 10 grams of Caapi, 10-15 grams mimosa , 50grams of Chacruna)

The trip was so rough that it was difficult for me to enjoy the experience and I spent most of the trip thinking that I would surely die. I did have some fantastic visuals after my hour long purge that involved a pride of black Jaguars roaming around what looked like the entrance to a Mayan temple. I remember the prolonged visual started with my eyes closed and even though I had opened my eyes the vision continued unchanged as it seamlessly transferred from a CEV to an open eye visual. I actually ended up passing out from a combination of sheer fright and acute rue intoxication about one hour after my purge. I woke up about an hour later tripping even harder that I had been before I passed out.

I felt another purge coming on, I was very frightened, I threw up several more times. Finally the convulsive purging stopped and I crawled out to the living room couch and laid down, I remember the trails/tracers were way more elaborate looking than anything that I had witnessed on LSD and I was extremely impressed even though I was in a state of utter panic. Eventually I passed out again, woke up again three hours later, by the living room clock It seemed like I was still tripping with the same amount of overly intense discomfort so I just forced myself to go back to sleep. The next day I felt incredible how ever , it was easily the best afterglow I had ever had in my entire life, which I found to be odd in light of my harrowing experience.

After my first experience was so frightening and traumatic, I put the leftovers of my brew in the freezer and forgot about it for an entire year. Then one night during a heavy Cubensis mushroom trip I suddenly thought about the Ayhauasca that had been lying dormant in my freezer. I got adventurous and felt compelled to take some. I quickly thawed a chunk of it out the stove top, the smell of the heated brew spoke volumes to my soul. Cautiously I went ahead and drank a very miniscule amount, about 10ml of the same brew that had literally turned my body inside out and my mind upside down just a year prior.

So about twenty minutes after sipping the brew I suddenly heard a voice speak as if though someone or something was whispering very gently right in my ear.
“Take more of me”- The quite voiced urged me with a polite insistence.
It is worthwhile to mention that I was no stranger to “hearing voices” at this point in my life. Over the course of my own dramatic psychedelic history I had heard from a wide ranging variety of many different types of “spirit” voices. Some voices were evil in nature some were helpful and positive, some voices revealed their appearance others did not.
This voice did not reveal itself outright to me and neither did I recognize the sound of it in any way.
I knew for certain that I had never heard this particular soft spoken voice before in my life until now.
“Take more of me, I will help you.” This time the voice was still gentle but slightly more coercive and louder inside my head.

I very reluctantly obliged the friendly voice and ingested another small amount of the brew and was greeted with an incredible warm euphoria, similar to MDMA but seemed way smoother in my opinion and far more powerful, closer to a feeling of true nirvana than MDMA had ever provided me with. My second experience only lasted about 20 minutes but it was enough to make me want to come back. I knew the brew I had was drastically out of proportion so I made some much needed modifications by lots adding lots of Mimosa along with an abundance of additional B. Caapi to balance out the over-rue situation.



(mind)Set Excited yet extremely nervous.
(physical condition) Set:Good enough /heavy marijuana user/ occasional ecstasy usage.
Setting (location):Solo flight, no sitter..
time of day: Middle of the night
recent drug use: Marijuana within 24 hrs, Mescaline with one month, P Cubensis mushrooms within two weeks.
last meal: Fast Food

PARTICIPANT
Gender: M
body weight: 69KG
known sensitivities:None
history of use: Extensive and regular use of LSD, Psilocybin, Morning Glories, Mescaline, Molly MDMA.

BIOASSAY

Substance(s): B. Caapi, Mimosa Hostilis, Syrian Rue, Chacruna Leaves.
Dose(s): (Approximate)Psylocybe Cubensis, Thai pan mystery strain-4-5 grams followed by Mimosa/huasca (concentration 40ml= 4-5grams-Syrian rue, 9 grams-Mimosa root bark, 40-50-grams of B.Caapi which was average strength for the time)

Method of administration: Ate and Drank


EFFECTS

Administration time: For Thai Cubensis, T=10:00pm ingested 1gram/ T=12:00am 3-4 grams ingested For Ayahuasca consumed at T=1:45am
Duration: Mushrooms 6-8 hours,
First effects: T=10:20pm
Peak: For Mushrooms at T=1:30 am
Come down:T=5:00am
Baseline:Next day

Intensity (overall): 4 =Extremely

OPTIONAL
Pleasantness: 4
Implesantness: 0
Visual Intensity: 4
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AFTER-EFFECTS

Hangover: 0 No hangover at all
Afterglow: 4 Felt amazing the next full week at least


REPORT

In spite of the recent Ayahuasca/ mushroom experience with the mysterious voice that out of nowhere had vividly encouraged me to “Drink more“. I was still extremely anxious about taking Ayahuasca again after I had so totally pummeled myself with it on my first go around. Fortunately for me my curiosity and wonder won out over my anxiety and I was able to go ahead wit the journey. Cubensis mushrooms usually tend to make me feel quite nauseated so I generally ingest them in multiple stages so the physical discomfort isn’t to overbearing for me to bear. I began by ingesting 1 gram of very potent Thai mushrooms and then decided to put on a movie in order to pass the time until the nausea passed, I chose an older favorite of mine called The Crow.

The action sequences in the movie took my mind of my stomach troubles for the most part and right after the movie had finished I felt fairly amazing so I took a nice palm full of dried caps probably about 3-4 grams total. After ingesting the rather healthy serving of sacred fungus I turned on some choice tunes, turned of the lights and waited patiently on my bed, lying on my back, staring up into the darkness.

After about 15 minutes of waiting I began to feel what I came to know as a familiar variety of sensations that accompany the ingestion of large amounts of Thai Cubensis. The colorful fanfare of the mushroom trip announced itself with it’s own special patented version of blistering euphoria accompanied with an specially tailored and introspectively themed blend of both macabre and jubilant imagery. The nausea was non-existent by this time. I had the heart of an intrepid psychedelic explorer at this point. Now with a semi-total air of confidence about me I moved into my kitchen to retrieve a small serving of the -Syrian-Mimosa-huasca from the a pot that had been simmering on my stove for the entire evening.

I used a small white porcelain ladle to scoop the brew into my special “medicine mug” it’s a very colorful psychedelic looking coffee mug that I have had for many years for such occasions as this one had been. It reads the words “Morning Glory Seeds “ on it and has a very nice psychotropic pattern on it. (see pic below)

I filled my cup up with a nice 40ml shot of super concentrated brew, my air of semi-confidence rapidly faded away as I lifted the intimidating looking, fully loaded medicine mug up towards my face. I ended up just taking a tiny sip instead of just tossing back the whole thing as I had originally set out to do. As soon as set the cup back down on my kitchen counter I heard the same gentle voice from my last experience speak again.
“Drink more of me” -it said to me in the same tone of polite insistence that it had used during our previous meeting.

“Drink more of me, do it and I will help you, you will see.” the clearly audible voice repeated it’s slogan and firmly but calmly urged me once more to take action. It occurred to me that there was a very real possibility that I had stumbled onto something extraordinary here, I knew that it would possibly be a regrettable decision on my part to turn down such a polite invitation by such a mysterious and seemingly benevolent being.

I decided that it was times like this that separated the Shaman from the average fellow. Following that line of reasoning I picked my medicine cup back up, tipped it back and finished off the balsa wood tasting, bitter-sweet contents of the brightly illustrated mug. I knew that the only proper way to proceed with Ayahuasca would be by embracing each moment no matter what each moment was to hold. I decided to pour another 20ml shot, I did so rapidly so as to not allow myself enough time to change heart, the second drink for some reason was a lot like drinking thick paint, even though I have no Idea what paint drinking is like.

I put the cup back down and tied to relax as much as possible. I made myself comfortable and reclined backwards on my couch, my head was propped up with a folded pillow. The intensity of my mushroom trip had by now increased by an incalculable amount. Right away I began to regret my decision to take such a large shot of brew. I began pondering the possibilities of another repeat of the previous years Ayahuasca over launch.

An unknown but short time later, while I was lost adrift in a sort of gut wrenching, panic filled , worry riddled thought loop sequence full of the fear and the agonizing anticipation of how I might have accidentally taken too much Ayahuasca again As my panic grew to an uncontrollable peak, my negative thought pattern became abruptly cut short by an very pronounced sensation that I had never felt before. The chaotic repetition in my head had somehow been inexplicably stifled by some kind of outside force. Emanations of serenity enveloped me from all directions. I began to lose all normal sensation of my body. My ego felt like it was nothing more than a miniscule grain of sand that was being washed away by a magnificent raging ethereal ocean. The magnetic rift tide of infinity was pulling my ethereal self into deep some type of swirling psychedelic vortex. I had never experienced such a sky rocketing rush of psychotropic input before in my entire life.

The all too familiar pangs of fear and doubt once again crept it's way into my mind. and I questioned whether or not I might die. It was then that the same gentle reassuring voice spoke inside my mind, It said:
"You can relax, It's completely harmless I assure you"
Immediately I felt more at ease, for some reason the voice seemed very empathetic in some way. I felt very much at ease with the voice, like it was some great old friend I had always known.

The visuals became very pronounced at this point and my whole room took on a very ultra realistic, high definition jungle-world appearance . I had seen this type of thing on several previous tripping occasions but only during very high doses of LSD or mescaline or both. The spectacularly ornate and thriving tropical visuals that pulsed all around me seemed to accompany a speeding heartbeat and a sort of racing euphoria that was soaring steadily up into a raging psychedelic stratosphere. I was tripping harder and with every advancing moment with no downward trend in sight .

It soon became apparent that In all respects I was feeling better than I had in years. In fact I was unsure If I had ever felt such an overwhelming sense of well being before in my entire life. In my mind it occurred to me the extraordinary level of alertness and tribal-like sublime trance like ecstasy that I was experiences felt like the very essence of the jungle itself was coursing through my veins, exploding through my gringo bloodstream like some mythical storybook Jaguar in full on pursuit of it's prey.

I felt an ultimate form of relaxation and peace that I had rarely known in all my days here on Earth. Willingly and readily I surrendered myself to the ravenous and mystical beauty of the ancient and untamed ultra tropical rainforest life that had miraculously sprouted up all around me. The numerous graphic details and stark realism of what I was witnessing was mind boggling. The exotic flowery perfumed earthy scent of the brilliant fauna and flora flowed all around me, pleasantly dazzling my awakened senses, appeasing me to no end.

In the distance I could hear the faint soothing sound of a flowing river mingling with the unequivocal calls of alien like birds and insects chirping, chattering and singing in a harmonious symphonic synchronicity with one another. Suddenly, there was a sound of leaves and branches rustling all around me. The sound was coming from numerous entanglements of hanging brown, green, black and yellow vines. The huge dense network of vines had been calmly dangling and swaying, hanging from numerous places in the high growing trees all around as I lied on my couch. These once relatively still vines had begun to slowly move and twist around the scenery slowly and steadily and in a snake like fashion. What I was seeing reminded me a bit of the movie Jumanji but with much more realistic effects.

The multi colored vines appeared to be gradually converging in one area of the jungle that was right in front of me. As they mingled together in one area at first it formed a big squiggly pile of what looked to be hundred of feet worth of slightly different vines. The collection of migrating vines eventually morphed itself into the form of a tall green man, it was very reminiscent of the Hero in the movie Swamp Thing , again, with much better effects.

The eyes of the vine being were a strange soothing color of green that were like luminous dusky emeralds. I knew that this being had been the source of the gentle urging voice that had insisted I "Take more" earlier in the journey. The vine man smiled at me with his jungle green eyes and began to speak to me very clearly and articulately from an indistinguishable place inside my brain, right before he spoke a sudden hush fell over the busy ambient chattering of birds and insects that had been steadily decorating the atmosphere thus far.
"I am the Ayahuasca Ally, and I am very pleased to make your acquaintance"-The Jungle entity spoke with the sophisticated air of a refined gentleman. Intimidated to say the least, I answered by saying, "likewise".

For a moment the Vine entity looked directly into my eyes , I could see/feel that this incredible being somehow embodied the very spirit of the South American Jungle. The vibration that this being emitted was one of sheer glory and magnificence. I was truly awestruck. The being continued speaking to me on the vivid telepathic wavelength shared.

The being addressed me by my name and then he said. "All your life you have been taking psychedelics because you hoped that they would help you in your life. In truth however, none of these substances you have really helped you the way that you hoped they would, have they?"

He paused as if to allow his words to soak in properly, I carefully considered what the vine man was telling me. After a moment of reflection, I found myself in agreement with what he was saying. It was true I had taken huge amounts of psychedelics over the course of my life time, hoping it would somehow help me, and they did help me in some ways. It was indeed clear to me they had not really provided me the sort of guidance and help that I was looking for in my life. No matter how many hundreds of incredible LSD, and mushroom and mescaline experiences I had undergone, my day to day life was still riddled with frustration, confusion, anxiety and depression, there seem to be nothing I could do, no medicine I could take that could cure me of my personal demons.

Tears began to flow from my eyes, I felt like I was a failure in life, like I had amounted to nothing and it was true, I knew that it was.
The Ayahuasca ally gave me a very compassionate look and then went on talking in a very calming yet direct tone.
"All your life you have been looking for an answer to your problems, you have been searching for something that can help you" He paused for a moment and then flatly stated, "I am that thing. I am... what you have been looking for all of your life. I will help you. I will show you. You will see."
After he spoke he gave me a thoughtful glance that signaled that I should seriously consider what he had just said.
"You can help me? How?" I said with an air of disbelief.
"There is absolutely no comparison between myself and other substances." he firmly replied.
"Why not?" I asked.
"I will show you. You will see": He repeated it like it was his official slogan..
"Before we begin , there is a certain formality we must address before I am able help you." The vine man said.
"What's that?" I asked curiously..
"Before I can help, you must first accept me as your Ally, only then can we move forward."
The word "yes" quickly made it's way to my lips.
The yellowish green looking Vine Man put up a narley hand with branchy fingers in a clear signal to stop and not speak.
"NO. do not answer right away, this is something you must carefully consider as your decision regarding this matter cannot be reversed.. If you choose me as your Ally it will be forever with you, forever is a long time so you need to be sure, you need to be positive there can be no doubt tainting your decision here tonight, It is very important that you carefully consider my offer before answering one way or another."
"O.K, that makes sense. give me a moment to diliberate on this." I said.
Take your time, you don't even have to answer me this evening, you can answer me at a future date if you like, If you need more time to think it over, but you must be absolutely for certain when you give me your answer" The vine man told me.

So I sat for a moment in careful cntemplation the way he suggested. The chorus of insects and birds resumed their assorted indecipherable chatterings and chirpings. It occured to me that this might actually be some kind of demonic trap. I decided to ask the vine man his opinion of God. The vine man replied by saying,
"The Creator designed me , placed me in this world and also made it my official duty to teach human beings how to surviive in the most hostile conditions imaginable. As your know, the jungle is a very predatorial and dangerous enviroment for human biengs to try and exist in. Thousands of years ago it was an even less hospitable place to live than it is now. I can teach a man to flourish under the most difficult wilderness conditions, and I could just as easily teach you to survive, adapt and thrive in the urban jungle you are living in now.”

"All you have to for this to happen is accept me as your ally."

I thought for another moment or two, there was no reason I could think of why I would not want to make this mystical pact, I literally could not think of one good reason why I should deny this alliance.
"O.K I have thought about it, the answey is yes. Yes, I would like for you to be my ally." I said it loud and proud, I knew I would have no regrets about this disicion, I could intuitively feel that it was the only option for me at that point in my life.
"Are you sure?" The ally asked?
Absolutley positive, no doubts whatsoever, this is what I want.
"And so it is done. Now I will help you now, Now I will show you, Now you will see"

I knew that something that was way beyond my mortal understanding had just taken place. Immidiately the feeling of the jungle coursing through my viens intesified 100 fold. "The first thought that came to my mind was, "this stuff makes ecstasy look like some kind of joke"
In terms of sheer euphoria and nirvana it was among the top 3 moments of my life up to that point.
The Ayahusca voice spoke.
"There is no comparison between me and other substances , do you see ?"
Then the vine spirit asked me something.
"In order for our alliance to work I need you to stop taking ecstasy."
"you must not continue to take ecstasy otherwise I cannot continue to be you ally."
Without hesitation I agreed, I knew the desire to take MDMA after experiencing this nirvanic paradise would be next to none.
I seriously felt lke it was a vow that I could uphold.

(Side Note: I did end up taking MDA one time since that occasion and I ended up severely regretting it, the Ayahuasca Ally forgave me but only after teaching me a painful lesson, -a story for another trip report).

All at once I noticed that there was something missing from my trip. Generally whenever I tripped very hard there would inevitably be the emergence of some type of dark entity that would try and interfere with my experience in one way or another . I had almost no trip up to this point where I went left alone 100% by demonic forces. Usually some type of shadowy spirit would attempt to distract or attack me.
Now I realized that there seemed to be no dark side interference whatsoever during this trip, which I found to be odd because this was the hardest I had ever tripped in my life.


The vine ally answered my thought by reaching up and slowly pointing stoically to the opposite, darker corner of the jungle. I looked over to where he was pointing and my eyes were met by two fiery red point of light. they were two coal amber red eyes that were set inside the dark narrow head of a thin malevolent looking midnight-black being that had taken the form of a crazed maniacal shadow. The demonic looking creature was trapped in a very intricate looking birdcage like prison cell the bars of the jungle cage were put together with a tight configuration of very sturdy looking Ayahuasca vines.

The rabid looking entity paced back and forth inside it's cell frantically, it was plainly furious that it was unable to get to me. Realizing that it was powerless to escape, It grabbed the bars with clenched clawed hands and shrieked hideous obscenities at me, while it's bright red burning eyes smoldered with pure fury and hatred for me.
"Silence beast!" The Ayahuasca ally loudly commanded the screaming spirit inside the cage.
Instantly the mouth of the imprisoned ring-wraith like creature became bound and gagged by some type of unidentifiable plant matter and was rendered powerless to speak or move.
I was speechless but at the same time very pleased this hideous thing was locked up the way it was.

The Vine ally then colorfully announced,
"Now that that all the formalaties of our agreement are behind us, let me show you around a little"
Instantly the tranquil jungel setting around me morphed into a void of pure blackness and I could see nothing around me but empty space. I then had the very sudden distinct sensation of being scooped up into the gigantic palm of some collosal rainbow colored semi trancelucent hand.

It became apparent that the mega sized hand taking me away to some far away place, like a vehicle of somekind and became aware of the fact that I was traveling through space at a phenomenal rate of speed.
Bieng held in the palm of the giant hand was very nuturing and felt very safe. When the ride stopped I found myself in a place the loked very cosmic, I recall seeing a vast cornicopia of brilliant white shining stars as the background of where ever I looked.

I was taken by the collosal hand to what looked like a small solar system. I was shown A specialized chart that somehow relayed to me the importance of geometry as it applies to celestial movement and how it affected everything living being around it like ripples in water. I was escorted around certain planets and the individual dynamics of each planets gravitational system and why it moved the way it did. It was like a very elaborate super high definition virtual reality training demonstration I was taken through several different planes of being and existence ranging from outer space all the way down to sub atomic matter.

Sadly, I am unable to rember many of the fantastic details of this part of the experience. Even though it seems to me like I was given a lot of very detailed and certainly valuable information about the universe while I was carried around that I was so shocked by just simply being taken into outer space by a giant hand that I was unable to absorb much of the impressive display.

My next memory is of me pening my eyes ad finding myself lying on my couch. My “handheld” guided space tour had taken more than 45 minutes. I immidiately realized I had managed to forget a great deal of what I was shown....I resigned myself to the Idea that I might remeber it one day during a future Ayahuasca trip. I did however remember the alliance that I had made.

I began to reflect on how the jungle had been a common theme during many of my mescaline and lsd experiences. I realized the first time I ever tripped really hard on LSD I felt like I was in a jungle.
It dawned on me that the ayahuasca ally had somehow always been present duing my breakthrough trips even though I was unaware it being there. Had it been protecting me and guiding me all of my life? Would it have done so if I had not have made the alliance with it? I'm guessing the answer would logicaly be no. So does that mean that by making an Alliance with the Ayahausca ally in my future it drastically affected my past as well? I personaly think it does.

This trip took place in 2007

Here is the related LSD jungle trip that took place 15 years earlier for those who are interested in reading more:

My first major LSD trip/The jungle experience


Note: any comments are welcome, thanks.

-Elijah




























































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And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not percieve the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "brother let me remove the speck from your eye", when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye?-Yeshua ben Yoseph
 
jamie
Salvia divinorum expert | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growingSenior Member | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growing
#2 Posted : 6/23/2012 3:21:52 AM
christ man..I guess thats how it's done..

What I would like to know is..where the hell did you find that cup ? Smile

That was a great report..dosing like that takes some serious dedication.
Long live the unwoke.
 
MelCat
#3 Posted : 6/23/2012 4:20:23 AM
Wow, beautiful report. Thank you so much for sharing.

Has this new ally affected or been with you for all of your ayahuasca trips since?

I'd love to hear some of your more recent reports. You have a great way of writing that just hooks you in.

Thanks again for sharing... good stuff...
Convert a melodic element into a rhythmic element...
 
Eliyahu
#4 Posted : 6/23/2012 5:42:13 AM

Much gratitude for the comments Jamie and MelCat.
MelCat wrote:
Quote:
Has this new ally affected or been with you for all of your ayahuasca trips since?


Yes the Vine spirit has been with me every single time I have taken Ayahuasca since then. I have definitely learned through trial and error that if I don't use a sufficient amount of vine in my brew then it seems to somewhat diminish the Allies capacity to guide, protect and heal me. Also I plan on writing a more recent report in the near future. Thanks

jamie wrote:
Quote:
What I would like to know is..where the hell did you find that cup ? Smile


I got it at an antique mall markdown sale about in 1995 or 96, it was $5 at the time. I have taken more psychedelic concoctions out of this strange looking coffee mug than I could easily calculate. The mug says on the bottom that it is:
"coordinated by Stanley Papel, Giftcraft Canada made in thailand." If anyone is interested in trying to find one similar.


And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not percieve the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "brother let me remove the speck from your eye", when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye?-Yeshua ben Yoseph
 
Dante
#5 Posted : 6/24/2012 8:01:56 PM
Wow, that was a truly magical experience! Thank you for sharing this beautifully written report!
Listen to a man of experience: thou wilt learn more in the woods than in books. Trees and stones will teach thee more than thou canst acquire from the mouth of a master. St. Bernard
 
Sky Motion
#6 Posted : 6/25/2012 6:44:17 PM
I literally stopped doing everything else on the internet after the first paragraph. Absolutely gripping and compelling read, not to mention such a freaking powerful experience.

The whole thing with the ally fascinates me to no end, thank you so much for taking the time to write all of this out, and I really want to hear about when you took MDA and regretted it with the ally teaching you a hard lesson.

This should be in the quality experience reports for sure.
 
Eliyahu
#7 Posted : 6/25/2012 8:03:34 PM
To Sky Motion, Dante, MelCat, Jamie and everyone else who has commented so far on my trip reports...

Your kind words mean a great deal to me and go a long way towards encouraging my writing...Crying or very sad

A million Hyperspace Thanks you's"! Pleased Pleased Pleased

And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not percieve the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "brother let me remove the speck from your eye", when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye?-Yeshua ben Yoseph
 
tryptographer
#8 Posted : 6/25/2012 10:04:47 PM
^ And just as many thanks to you for this great report - a classic!

 
Eliyahu
#9 Posted : 7/9/2012 7:16:21 PM
Sky Motion wrote:

The whole thing with the ally fascinates me to no end, thank you so much for taking the time to write all of this out, and I really want to hear about when you took MDA and regretted it with the ally teaching you a hard lesson.



Done Smile

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And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not percieve the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "brother let me remove the speck from your eye", when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye?-Yeshua ben Yoseph
 
rjb
#10 Posted : 7/26/2012 9:23:42 AM
Wow, Eliyahu. Thanks for this delicious food for soul. I'm hoping one day we'll all meet our own allies.

Don't know how I overlooked this until now... Smile
The truth...lies within.
 
 
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