We’ve all heard stories about the Torch being much stronger than San Pedro, however the evidence to support this is seriously lacking (see Trout’s notes on San Pedro). In SWIM’s experience San Pedro has been stronger than the Torch.

To date, other than peyote, San Pedro has been the strongest cactus SWIM has tried.

There are dozens of active mescaline containing cacti out there.

What are some of your favorite mescaline containing cacti, and which ones do you believe are the strongest from your own person observations?

the only time SWIM got any good effects from cacti..were from dried chips from Achuma(t. bridgesii)...he meticulously carved them up..and then dried them in a food dehydrator..he only had to eat 3.5 grams of these chips..and had very nice smooth effects all day and into the night...

he had nausea for the first hour..then he purged and felt much better..but somehow..by this time he already had very noticeable effects

How would you describe the effects SWIY got from achuma?

they were very nice..stimulated and a nice warm body high..the visuals werent really that much..but SWIM seems to only get nice decent visuals from dmt and bufotenine..and mixes with other psychedelics..even though he has open and closed eye visuals rather constantly..very subtle..but if he pays any amount of attention on them..they are there..so visuals arent really all that important..because if he wants visuals..thats when he calls in the big guns..

anyway..his mind was very active..and he could feel this interesting connectedness..his mind would be slightly scattered..but he was still able to follow his thoughts fully...the effects probably lasted at least 12 hours...and at the end he smoked some bufotenine..which boosted the visuals..and changed them slightly..it was extremely nice though..because the amount of bufotenine that he had to smoke was very small..but it worked great..

he could feel the phenethylamine to it..but it was much more natural compared to mdma, 2ct2, 2ci, and 2ce..these research chemicals have a very synthetic feel to them..while the achuma..was very smooth and natural..he was very excited all day..had some nice epiphanies..and enjoyed it very much..except for the first hour..which was very unpleasant..all he could do was lay on his bed and try not to vomit..he had worked so hard getting the damn stuff down that he didnt want to lose it too soon..he kept it down for only about 50 minutes..but he had started feeling VERY noticeable effects within 15 minutes..

its been said that this isnt possible..but SWIM seems to be extremely sensitive to phen's...when he takes pure MDMA..he can feel it almost as soon as it hits his belly...friends always give him shit for it..but even the first time he took MDMA..he felt it within 10 minutes..

he also took lots of 2ct2, 2ce and 2ci..but when he gives them to other people..they sometimes barely get any effects..while SWIM has visuals..psychedelic thought and nice body high..

also when SWIM first started taking these RC's...he didnt have a sensitive scale..so he always eyeballed it..well once he got a nice scale..he tried measuring out a few doses..and what he thought he had been taking was in fact WAY less..and that maybe the reason other people didnt get good solid effects..2ct2 was the most visual..seems the most natural feeling out of all of them...followed by 2ce then 2ci..

SWIM imagines if he is able to extract some pure mescaline..that he will be able to take a large enough dose to get some nice solid visuals from it..possibly similar to 2ct2..2ct2 is hard on his belly though..

What interesting to me is that SWIY’s experience with achuma is radically different from SWIM’s. For SWIM achuma is very mild, and not as stimulating as the torch, also achuma makes SWIM feel very sedated for the first part of the trip. It’s pleasant for SWIM, and doesn’t make him nauseated at all. SWIM finds achuma to be more visual than the torch, and also more dreamy.

The other difference is that SWIM gets horrible effects from bufotenine when used during a mescaline trip. He finds the combination increases the side effects of both mescaline and bufotenine and diminishes the psychedelic effects of them both, producing an unpleasant experience for about 2 hours. And then when the bufotenine wears off the trip is better again. I wonder what accounts for such a difference response to the combination?



It’s not impossible because as soon as a drug enters your body small amounts can be absorbed through the walls of the mouth, throat, etc., and enter your blood before it even get digested.

SWIM can detect the effects of some LSD almost instantly. SWIM can feel the effects of mescaline within about 10 minutes as a mild shift of some sort in SWIM’s senses that’s hard to explain, and then at about 30 minutes it becomes very noticeable. SWIM seems to absorb drugs much faster and more efficiently than most other people can. SWIM has also felt the effects from ayahuasca hit instantly. I don’t mean a few seconds after drinking it down. I mean instantly. It’s not SWIM’s imagination either. He’s very sensitive to the effects of drugs and can usually detect even the slightest change in his body/brain chemistry.



The visuals from a high dose of mescaline are incredible. Even with the low dose SWIM had last night SWIM watched as the wood grain on the cabinets began sliding around like it was made of liquid. He also saw several objects in the room pulsating and shifting their colors. Some objects were flashing, getting darker and then lighter and then darker again. The visuals are difficult to describe. They are not like anything else SWIM can think of. With eyes closed, instead of a bunch of patterns, SWIM is likely to see actual meaningful things like people, places, etc. Last night, with SWIM’s eyes closed he saw a group of North American Indians chanting and heard the typical ceremonial drumming. One of them was telling SWIM to face his fears with the power of peyote and to turn his fears into his strengths, at that time SWIM felt chills running up and down his spine. It was awesome. SWIM usually has visions of North American Indians at some point during a mescaline trip.

I also find that these cactusses produce phenethylamine effects that are comparable with those of XTC. I have experience with cactus working quickly as well as slowly. Once i had eaten a lot and i had drunk a botle of soda (it was a hot summer) and it took an hour before i started noticing anything, and then at least another full hour before it realy started to work. With LSD it's always quite constant for me; first i get some physical effects (within five minutes) that are a strange feeling in the throat and sometimes a weird mushy sort of taste and sometimes mild shivers, after about ten minutes i start getting a bit energized like i drunk to much coffee, a sense of nervousness. It's not real nervousness because i ALWAYS have it with acid and i have taken it hundreds of times. It's psychedelic effect starts to after 50 to 70 minutes. The only tryptamine's that give me a rushing feeling when they start working are DMT and ayahuasca. LSD never does that.
With cactus and other phenethylamines i always have this rush. With XTC i always have this precisely after 35 minutes, never 30 or 40.
With cactus it varies a lot and sometimes the rush takes longer and is less intense and other times it's short but intense. Also, with cactus i have rushes repeatedly with every new wave. The effects come in waves just like with tryptamines. Peyote does seem to be the most potent cactus to me. But it's quite expensive stuff and availability is varying where i live.

iv tried torch and it was very potent - short spined torch made into a tea - a piece about 25cm long and as thick as your forearm was used. perhaps potency of 9g potent cubies. then i tried another one longer spines this time and it was less than half the potency. compared to the pedro my friend took - short spined torch is very powerfull.

There's 100s of different kinds of pachanoi as well as peruvianus, it's about finding potent clones... they species names really don't matter. Peruvianus Torch which is often sold online is almost always Trichocereus cuzcoensis which is almost completely inactive... however... find a Peruvian Torch like this-



It's likely that it's very potent.

The potent clones are rare and hard to find... but they do exist!



Ah, the amazing power of the mind! I can look at Datura plants and start having an axeity-attack/tripping... well I used to... I can control it more now.



You guys need to stop buying dried chips.... first off it's silly and your never going to get the same thing, you might get 5000mg of mescaline, you might get 2mg! If you grow your own cactus you can weed out the weak one and save and propagate the good ones.



I'm telling y'all its in your head! Maybe if everybody had gone through what I had to go through they would understand... Do you really believe the chemicals actually have a chance to get anywhere close to your brian within 2 seconds of drinking Ayahuasca?! No way! Your mind knows what your about to do and thats what causes psychoactive effects.



Lophophora is the most powerful mescaline cactus which is known. Lophophora can contain up to 7% mescaline. However I would NEVER extract Lophophora, it's disrepectful and why waste all those other great Lophophora-compounds? There are Trichocereus cacti with up to 5% mescaline. The above cactus I posted is at least 3% (Just a guess from bioassy). Trichocereus bridgesii var. "monstrose" is said to be the most powerful Trichocereus.

who said we were buying dried chips!?!?!? SWIM took a long time to carve up his cacti..removing the spines..the wax..the white inner core..and then he laid them out on a food dehydrator and turned it on...

nowhere in my post did i say SWIM bought dried cacti chips..read more carefully

and taking drugs is ALL ABOUT THE POWER OF THE MIND...of course your body knows what its about to do..its DOING IT..but the drugs are still the same old catalysts...

you think about dmt..and you remember some of your experiences..you smoke dmt..and you have one

and why is it..that only SOME drugs have the instant hit effect...LSA from HBWR takes SWIM about 2-3 hours to feel the effects...why a good pharmahuasca brew can be felt instantly...

they are still drugs...but why would one work faster than the other..if its just my mind doing it anyway?

All I have to say to that is it's all in YOUR MIND Coatl. SWIM knows the difference between placebo and real effects. SWIM knows he can sometimes feel the effects of ayahuasca hit instantly. Don't tell me it's all in SWIM’s mind. Just because SWIY can’t detect it instantly doesn’t mean SWIM can’t. You are NOT SWIM, you cannot speak for SWIM. SWIM knows it can and does hit him instantly sometimes. It is not impossible. The alkaloids can soak into the mouth and throat through small lesions and enter the blood almost immediately, all before even hitting the digestive system.

Ya my friend KNEW he was tripping when I gave him some Calea and told him it was Ayahuasca just to prove this very point. He KNEW it wasn't placebo... Oh he KNEW.




I was acutally going to comment on how proud I am of you. Thank you.



O no, you misunderstand. It happens to me as well, but I begin tripping before the Aya' ever touchs my lips.



Ok next time don't swallow the Aya', just hold it in your mouth for 10 seconds and spit it out and see if you trip... Or better yet do a blind test where you don't know if your drinking aya' or not and see if the same thing happens.

Let's start another thread if we want to continue this... I'm off topic, sorry.

Among regular ayahuasca users it is common knowledge that if the brew is potent enough it can hit you instantly. With the aid of the MAOIs the DMT absorbs through lesions in your body before hitting the digestive system.

With mescaline SWIM can sometimes feel the effects after 10 minutes.

I still think it's in your head. It would be more common with regular users because they know the power of the brew.



This friend has done Ayahuasca over 10 times.

SWIM has gotten visuals from smoking Calea..just one bowl will modify his visual field

You can think that. That’s your opinion, but SWIM knows the difference between placebo and real effects and can’t be fooled like that.

Hmm i think, coatl, you might want to do a little experiment with a high dose of aya. Just make a brew that would sent 4 to 5 people to hyperspace and drink it on an empty stomach. Great chance you'l be convinced it's no placebo effect. Oh, i wish it was placebo, then we all could jump in and out of hyperspace whenever we would want, just by thinking that we've taken something.

69ron I'm sorry if I jacked your thread



I'm not trying to insult you but I though the same thing...



Well... you can. Thats what I'm trying to say here.

Let's move this discussion to the proper thread...... and continue talking about cacti here.

Original Topic-

69ron could you describe what SWIY's experience with bufotenine and cacti was like...because for SWIM it was soooooooooooo nice..absolutely wonderful..