Hey all, i have a question on Lazymans Tek found here. https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Lazyman%27s_tek

I'm reading the tek and comparing it to other teks. i see that other teks require the use of multiple 'pulls' because of word that starts with a p and has coefficient on it. I'm drawing a blank. I have three questions.

What is classified as a pull?

How should 'pulls' be used in LazyMans Tek?

How many pulls per batch of extractions in LazyMans tek with 400-500 grams of mimosa hostilis should be implemented?


this is my interpretation of a pull from the other teks i've read. a pull is after removing the alkaloid saturated naptha from the mimosa hostilis soaked in NaOH, you've got to put more naptha in again, the same amount as you've originally put, or less, and then let the alkaloid soak into the naptha. after doing so, the naptha will contain more alkaloid.

Thanks yall.

you are correct in that a "pull" is the separation of the alkaloid saturated solvent from the bark/base... as for how many pulls are necessary, that's kind of variable... keep pulling until the naptha doesn't pull anymore, then pull a couple times with xylene... when that's done pulling, order more bark ...

Say, in this theoretical situation that is actually theoretical. None of that SWIM bullcrap. I do my 1st pull out of the lazymans tek batch. i need to perform a second pull so i add more naptha. the amount of naptha added is up to me, but i'll probably be consistent with each amount of naptha that i put in from the 1st pull. let's call that number X. when i put X amount of naptha into the batch for a 2nd pull. do i stir the X amount of naptha in the batch with the potatoe masher? or do i just pour it in there so as to not disturb the brown goop?

http://www.shroomery.org...er/10089233/fpart/1/vc/1

Read this! It may answer all of your questions. Plus it's the best lazyman's that i've come across

from my understanding you add x-ml of naptha per pull put in a glass and let evap where i get confused is when people say they reuse the naptha how do you reuse something you need to evap?

i haev another question that i dont want to start another thread ith. it's more of a thought and if its true then yall please shoudl agree with me. the reason that we dont stir the naphtha after doing our first pull is because we dont need to. the dmt that is extracted and seaparated by the NaOH allows the dmt to float to the top of the batch of MHRB(mimosa hostilis root bark). the naphtha allows the dmt to be trapped in it without any other dirtiness. we dont need to stir the MHRB infused NaOH because the dmt will separate itself. is there anything wrong with my thought process?

What your saying is true enough but you will want to stir it up to speed things up and get a way bigger yeild. This is why ppl use canning jars with tight fitting lids, it's alot easier and more convienent to roll the jar than stir.
What I perfer to do is to shake it up everytime I think about it for 24 hours then watch a movie while rolling the jar for say 2 hours....then pull. You should get about 80-90% in your first pull this way. Instead I use a 1L plastic IPA bottle which is tolerable to heat and let it sit on my baseboard heater. (alot of ppl are against using #2 plastic in fear of contamination so don't use it.......but I put my trust in it)

letting yr naptha just sit for subsequent pulls isn't quite gonna cut it... yes, some dmt is going to be floating at the top of the soup, but do you really want to gamble that it's all of the spice?.. get that naptha down there & get all of it... & for that matter, skip naptha & go straight with heptane/freeze precip... i get 1.2~1.4 grams of white/yellow spice in 2 pulls from 100 g mhrb, no need for 5~6 pulls...

I'm looking for a 5L glass jar w/ a tight lid......where should i look? cooking store?
also, what accurately measures cc/ml? i can't seem to find what relly measures it without using conversion factors.

you can get them at craft stores (michaels where im from) but you might not want such a big jar because they are more fragile beleive me. After having one jar crack on me is when I decided to go with plastic. depending on your method you can get away with a 1L jar using 100g's of mimosa blended in your blender (not powdered,you will get emulsions). All this using 15ml of water per gram MHRB is over rated. You can get close to 2grams of spice with only 100grams of MHRB if you got some potent vine.

I actually just noticed that you want to do a pound extraction, which is why you want the big jar im assuming.....So I will also suggest that if this is your first go at an extraction than you should go for smaller yeilds rather than 1 mother load. This will give you more time to learn as you go, then you will most likely have a good solid method by the time you have used all your MHRB.

holy jesus, man?!? 5 LITERS? that's an awful big jar... why not try doing something smaller?.. especially if you are just figuring things out, little batches are ze way to go... if you make a mistake, you don't have to spend horrendous amounts of time wrangling 5 liters of goop into submission... also, your first couple batches will show you that while the spice is relatively easy to extract, there is a learning curve to extracting PURE spice... don't blow that whole batch of bark on yr first attempt... work with something manageable, like 100g of bark in a liter jar...

I totally agree with all of you saying lower batches are teh best way to go. i totally get it. it's just a better learning curve, things dont get messed up as they should. however, i only have a small window of time to get a big batch going, spring break, i'm a high school senior and i figure that its very quiet and theres nothing that can get me in trouble with the 5o.

i just wonder what kind of mistakes can a 1st time newbie make?

I'm a relatively educated asian male, though race doesnt play a factor in any education, we all know of the stereotypes .

If theres anything that i coudl think that'd possible go wrong its 1. poor naptha pulls bc you pull the goop and 2. the dmt doesnt extract away from the NaOh as planned, and the solution is just more time.

Thanks for your input.

EDIT: besides, MHRB is cheap for a pound anyway, i have quite a bit of capital to use on it

the single biggest mistake would be making 45 grams of DMT... that's a huge amount of spice... & as you have only a limited window of opportunity to extract, it's safe to assume you aren't living in a place where it would be safe to even have that much chemical... remember, by simply possessing the root bark you are not breaking the law... converting it to DMT is another story...

& since we are on that subject, it sounds kind of like you are planning on a stealthy kind of extraction... that's not a solid plan, at all... if you've got to sneak, don't extract... it will be there when the time is right...

Making 45 grams of DMT would be a 10% yield out of 454 grams of MHRB. If i could have a 10% yield i would be like jesus turning water into wine....... i know the law and schedule 1 drugs and whatnot. What could be a problem for newbies extracting 1st time, without mentioning the law?

yeah, mary jane kind of played with me numbers there...

here's one scenario... in a huge cook like that, it may take a while for the NaOH to break down the bark enough to do an extraction with any manageable amount of solvent... couple extra days here, little extra time evapping, next thing you know your "window of opportunity" is up & you're stuck in a shitty situation... if the place you are working has "windows of opportunity" that you can work in, it is not an appropriate place to be working... period...

I have stealthy windows of oppurtunity to work in. the place doesnt. if push comes to shove i can alwasy extend those windodws, but i can't stretcth the window too far, ya dig?

in lazy mans tek they used a full extraction of 7g of spice within a window of 48 hours....even if i do give it a leeway of time being 24 more hours, i still have the window. any objections?

sure, you can get that yield in that time... but it's probably not going go that way... i remember my first attempt, using lazyman's... followed things to the letter, & yielded nothing in my first 3 pulls... very frustrating... i was well into my third day before i had a (barely) serviceable product... ask yourself "is the greatest experience i'm going to have in my life something i want to do in a half-assed rush?".. spring break means summer is right around the corner, and time should be more plentiful... take a few weeks, learn a few things... progress past the lazyman's tek to something slightly more advanced, like noman's or maybe a simple a/b, without wasting time on low-tech methods... put the time and the love in, and the results will be much mre satisfying... jutst my .02 man, take it easy...

well....how did it work out for ya man?

I didnt think that ya'll would have followed up on me, it means alot that ya'll care. i'll do a writeup about the extraction once it's finished. i plan on extracting over spring break. spring break starts 4/2.
see you then!

I'm thinking, like we all do, on a few tweaks to lazy man tek.

numerous people on the nexus have said that multiple small pulls have a greater yield than a single big pull, because of the partition coefficient.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~specifying pulls~~~~~~~~~~
other people have said to pull 100ml of naptha at a time. the starting amount of naptha is 200-300
what i plan on doing with my pulls is for every 100ml naphtha i take out, i put back in 50ml naphtha and ROLL, not stir, the jar around. doing this allows me 6 pulls of 100. i will space these out with a pull every few hours. the last 2 pulls will be spaced out 8-12 hours each.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~change in equipment.~~~~~~~~

the lazyman tek calls for these equipments.
* 5 L ceramic mixing bowl
* Potato masher
* 2000 mL measuring cup
* Large flat glass baking pan
* Fan
* VM&P Naphtha; hardware store
* NaOH (sodium hydroxide); online auction, often listed as Red Devil Lye

i'm going to change the ceramic mixing bowl to a glass jar, sealable lid
potato masher-->metal smasher
2000ml measuring cup--> no change
large flat glass baking pan-->flat glass brownie pan for lack of a better work.
vm%p naphtha-->nochange
NaOH-->no change

~~~~~~~~~what to do with the leftover used naphtha~~~~~~~~~
the naptha afer pulled out of the goop will be evaporated 50ml, or 50%. then off to the freezer it goes. the rest of the freezer naptha will be poured into a collection jar. this jar holds all the used naptha for the 6 pulls. at the end with my 6th and final pull. i will put the collection jar naptha back into the 6th pull.

~~~~~~~~temperature?~~~~~~~~
no alteration of temperature is planned.

~~~~~~~carbonate washes?~~~~
carbonate washes will be used.
following http://www.shroomery.org...Number/13962685#13962685

~~~~~~~recrystalization?~~~~~
yes, http://www.shroomery.org...Number/11726174#11726174


~~~~~~NaOH soaking MHRB prior to added naptha-time~~~
probably will be at least 48 hours. given its a lb of MHRB. i want it moooshy.

If you've read this far, i would like to say thank you,
Does anyone have any objections/affirmations to my planned changes to the lazymans tek.
these changes that i've made are the information i've gathered from the nexus/shroomery and other teks i've read.

Thanks alot. can't wait for my extraction.