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Parshvik Chintan
#1 Posted : 2/27/2012 4:29:42 AM
 
benzyme
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#2 Posted : 2/27/2012 2:12:15 PM
what, hedweb?
pshh.. that's been around before erowid

mr pearce has some interesting theories, but like any other utopian ideology,
abolition of pain is unrealistic. we supposedly evolved the ability to process
pain for damage control. eradicating that mechanism will lead to our quick demise.
the ideal solution would be to limit it with as little side-effects possible. controlling stress,
now there's a more reasonable goal.
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
 
arcanum
#3 Posted : 2/29/2012 9:01:00 PM
I think David Pearce is a closet advocate for the pharmaceutical companies and a bit of a hypocrite. In one breath he condems animal research and in the other encourages the casual use of psychopharms as " mood boosters"
In "Healthy Mood Boosters for all the Family" he goes to great lengths to minimize the dangers of consuming potentially harmfull pharmaceuticals while barely mentioning anything about entheogens and their undeniable salutory qualities. In fact he avidly discourages/ dimisses them as "best avoided", until our psyches have been "de-darwinised" by so called "paradise engineers". Lol, the ramblings of an intellectual moron.

 
Mindlusion
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#4 Posted : 3/1/2012 12:04:15 AM
definitely some interesting theories..

but like benzyme said, pain is necessary for survival, otherwise you would never learn to avoid something that can cause you pain,

Individuals with a rare condition who cannot feel any physical pain known as congenital analgesia usually don't live very long, usually due to simple mistakes or accidents.

Mr pearce speaks about psychological pain, but I believe its there for the same reason as physical pain, its just evolutionary.

your best bet is to learn to enjoy the pain Twisted Evil
Expect nothing, Receive everything.
"Experiment and extrapolation is the only means the organic chemists (humans) currrently have - in contrast to "God" (and possibly R. B. Woodward). "
He alone sees truly who sees the Absolute the same in every creature...seeing the same Absolute everywhere, he does not harm himself or others. - The Bhagavad Gita
"The most beautiful thing we can experience, is the mysterious. The source of all true art and science."
 
SKA
#5 Posted : 3/1/2012 12:26:24 PM
Totally agree with Benzyme. Pain is nececairy for survival.
But it's also nececairy to define it's opposite; Pleasure.

I will agree with anyone who sais that there is TOO MUCH pain and suffering
in the world. Man-made suffering that is entirely unnececairy and can be avoided.
I agree that such levels of suffering do not belong in this world. In our lives.

But I cannot agree with the notion of completely getting rid of pain.
The right amount of pain will keep us alert and help us avoid danger.
Too much pain will make us depressed, catatonic & disfunctional, but
too little pain will make us Apathic, Cold, Careless & unaware of
threats. You'd be like an opiate junkie on opiates. Not desirable.
In fact most of the general public goes about their dayly lives in
a state of mind just like that, either flatlined by opiates or by
the stressfull, boring rush of a workaholic society.

Balance is what you want. Just the right amount of sensitivity to pain.
Not too much, not too little.
 
 
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