All of my frustrations with trying to understand and make sense of my experiences came out in a flood today.
I gave the hyperspace creatures a verbal assault. It’s pretty funny when I think about it now.


I was on one of my spice expeditions into a large interesting tract of land atop a very high
series of hills. Great overlooks and climbs with some exquisite spots for hyperspace travel.
Its an unspoiled area with lots of native American power spots
Anyway I found myself sitting under a long rocky overhang that seemed like it could have been some
kind of ancient campsite. I was feeling the effects of caapi tea and my autumn olive tincture.
After a few attempts with the spice I was suddenly overtaken with the overwhelming feelings I’ve felt before. It came on super strong and took my breathe away. As it unfolded I held steady and remained calm and focused.
I had been here many times before and in my case its always a similar experience. Some kind of hyperspace beings make direct connection with my mind and seem to run a series of checks on my consciousness. It’s always super intense and can be scary at first. In most cases its an amazing experience.

During the experience I began to get slightly pissed off All of my collective frustration began to express itself. I started raising my voice. As my voice began to raise I realized that the rock overhang was acting like an amphitheatre with a natural echo reflection.
My voice was strong and echoing out to the forest I spoke in short clear sentences:

“ will one of you please tell me what the F*** is going on here?

For once can you please tell me what the hell this is all about ? !!!!!

Long pause …

Can I get some f*** ing feedback here!!!!!!!

What is this all about ? What the f*** is happening here can you please explain this !!!!????

Could I please get an explanation or sign of some kind !!!!!?

This went on for a few minutes and my connection with hyperspace came to an abrupt end.

I really don’t know what came over me today. My usual mindset of respect and reverence went out the window completely for a few moments. All I could do was laugh when it was all over.
I think I’ve begun to get tired of the lack of feedback and constantly trying to make sense out of these certain specific types of experiences. It's begun to feel like these specific entities are just running a program and downloading information from me. It feels like a strange parasitic relationship at times I'm not sure what to make of any of this.

Anyway, that's the report

Your topic heading made me laugh

You've got more balls than me that's forsure. I concieve myself as an observer/guest in hyperspace. Whatever it is has alot more power than me, and the ability to scare me damb near to death. I call those hyperspace bitchslaps, and don't care for them too much. But for me it's just part of the experience I've got endure every once in awhile.

Show em whos BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think interaction is the next level to these trips. Why is it just a movie we watch? Why are we sort of held captive and need to follow what they want and be an observer?
Interaction is the key I think. Get good and maybe you gain powers of your imagination. Control your thoughts to control the DMT trip.

Have you opened dialogue with the mushroom before? Maybe some psilohuasca is in order.

If I were you, I would be very careful of your frustration and moments of impatience - I think we have all read what seems to follow after these sort of trips. When you stop getting the message, hang up the phone. For your sake, proceed with circumspect.

Peace, love and safe traveling.

Cool felnik, I like hearing from you!

I too have had times, not in hyperspace, but on trips, where I lose my cool and start getting frustrated about not knowing what the point of anything is and just those questions that are never answered start to piss me off.

Anyway..yeah, I liked reading this.

Be well

I've been at this for quite a while now, I've had countless experiences that are so similar and familiar.
the consistency has started to get really weird for me. I've reached a certain level of comfort that allows me to
stay connected and grounded. Its probably a little crazy to be sounding off in the middle of a hardcore hyperspace connection
but i'm following my instincts wich I trust very much.

I've grown tired of being held captive by this thing and just left with no answers.
there is no feedback at all coming back. I'm taking a stand,
I want these hyperspace things to tell me what they are and what they are doing.
I'm not afraid to voice this. I will continue trying.

I had a turning point in my experiences a few years back where Started to confront what was happening and engage it
directly after many journeys just laying there speechless plastered to the ground.
things changed after that and my journeys were different.
Perhaps i'm at another turning point in my evolution with this.


I can suggest to some of you out there to begin to try to engage with this thing and see what happens.
Don"t be afraid as long as your dose is manageable you'll be ok.
test the waters and start talking during your journey see what happens.

I think one of the biggest mistakes some of us make when it comes to smoking DMT is trying to understand the experience to the fullest. It's just impossible to "understand" it completely. If I can bring one good aspect or concept of the experience back to my grounded reality, I feel accomplished.

This gave me a big smile.

I greatly appreciate your style, thanks for sharing

Peace and love

-Also, reminds me of a Mckenna quote, something like "you've got to come to these things sitting up straight".

What Mckenna says from the Archaic Revival about treading carefully, rationalism, circumspection and skepticism (I couldn't agree more):

It is no great accomplishment to hear a voice in the head. The accomplishment is to make sure that it is telling you the truth, because the demons are of many kinds:

"Some are made of ions, some of the mind; the ones of ketamine, you'll find, stutter often and are blind."

The reaction to these voices is not to kneel in genuflection before a God. There is no dignity in the universe unless we meet these things on our feet, and that means having an I/Thou relationship (to treat a stranger with positive thoughts and that the stranger is also an "I" - a living being with a consciousness and a sense of self; a mutual respect for another being).

One says to the other: "You say you are from Zeta Reticuli. You're long on talk, but what can you show me?"

Magicians, people who invoke these things, have always understood that one must go into such encounters with one's wits about oneself.

I know this thing is strong and powerful , I have felt
The wrath of it on more than one occassion.

Your words resonate Freeraticals
I understand what your saying .

I seem to be engaging a very specific experience
Repeatedly. To say I tread carefully is an understatement
My prep and ritual borders on neurotic at this point .
Under certain circumstances I am trying different
Ways of engaging this force.

One approach is to recognize it as a game .
My experience tells me it likes games.
And it likes it more when you joust with it.
By projecting into it . Hard to explain .
but effective.

I want to begin to differentiate between robotic
Programs and the real deal .
When you project yourself at a program it
Doesnt react it just plays out its routine .
When you project at something non synthetic.
It reacts differently.

I,know I m crazy , but there is a method here

P.S. as mcKenna says : All theorys are provisional , I agree with this
But we need to start someplace

Freeradicals,

Thanks for sourcing and extending that discussion from Mckenna. I consider it on the list of the most important things for me I've heard from him.

"There is no dignity in the universe unless we meet these things on our feet" has some new very significant value to me since I heard it last, thanks again.

Peace and love

No problem! Easy to source for me, whenever I hear or read something that really hits gold and resonates with me, I write it down in my journal. I've got a nice collection of dynamite from Terence Mckenna, David Suzuki, Aldous Huxley, Albert Camus, Franz Kafka, Phillip K Dick and probably a few others.

I like your approach Felnik, I'm not experienced enough with DMT to know whether these entities are something I would personally focus on. But I admire your courage and wish you only the very best with your journeys - I look forward to seeing what you can bring back for us. Proceed with caution and dignity. Godspeed and love.

Thanks to Felnik and the others in this thread, I'm really enjoying reading through your thoughts. Felnik, I'm not sure if you've read Ender's Game but your post really reminds me of that book and I think there is great value in your probing approach. Critical engagement of the experience through interaction seems like an excellent way to peel away the subroutines and begin to outline the consciousness behind the programming, if one does indeed exist. Safe travels friend!

I'm thinking that even if the entities could tell us what they were doing, we wouldn't be able to comprehend it. How do you know they are not already trying to communicate with us and we just don't understand the experience?

Great thoughts here. Certain Buddhist monks talk about how the universe is inherently playful. Alan Watts talks about this. I also like your distinction between robotic routine and an organic response. Keep us posted on your progress.

I think part of not being able to understand the entities is because we keep inhaling spice and the trip is too short. They don't have enough time to tell us.

Ayahuasca might give the time we need. Plus what can the entities tell us that will actually help us individually? We need to do this in a massive population!

That's where that tone hyperspace traveling might bring us all to the same place.

Has anyone met another spice traveller while in hyperspace??

I think sitting up crosslegged is helpful when you get to this stage of hyperspace exploration. keep interacting, try including some technology, listen to some music you like with headphones, or try and record yourself talking while in hyperspace. Things like that always moved it forward well for me. It likes play so play with it. Never take it so seriously that your not having fun.

So much of what you said is so familiar I can't wait to hear what your next few visits are like.

Enjoy!

If you 'told off' the 'entities', some might say you 'told off' 'yourself'....

Maybe they cannot answer you because you simply do not know?