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q21q21
#1 Posted : 1/3/2012 7:29:23 PM
So A few months ago I took about a 4-5 month hiatus off DMT right after discovering this method which works exactly the same if harmalas are smoked instead of taken sublingually (NOT my original idea, obviously)

I got side-tracked when I started up again with "what does 10mg do compared to 15mg" and my strategy was to gradually get comfortable with 15mg, 17.5mg, 20mg, etc. Through to breakthrough.
But despite all this "training" when I went up to 17.5mg and 20mg I was ATTACKED by malformed visions and negative emotions, one time it being so harsh I kept repeating "WHERE IS THE LOVE?" over and over until it stopped and I was left in tears.

I tried to condition myself with countless 10, 12.5 and 15 milligram sessions and 4 terrible >15mg sessions before I decided to try out my old method that worked so well but it's use and my fading interest with DMT due to a bad time in my life made it seem ... I don't know exactly.

Anyway, the method in shot is either smoking harmalas or taking them sublingually about 5-10 min before smoking DMT. Not a big idea like that.
This graph shows, based on my experience (others can vary greatly) the effect harmalas has on re-dosing DMT
(Just doodled it in 5 min, don't mind the doodled-ness of it.)


Now I really haven't read a load of threads on changa but I have heard many people saying they load it up and do it in one big toke (or two) and if that works for you GREAT. But it doesn't work for me at all. I explain it a lot in the other thread linked in the first line of this post.

Anyway today I got ready 2 machine-balls with 40mg. I took maybe a 15mg toke then I relaxed while I warmed up under my electric blanket for 5-6 minutes. I then took small tokes, making sure to breath deeply to get the DMT all through my lungs. I finished the first 40mg, this method takes slightly more than immediately blasting off as the graph shows.

I then went onto the second machine-ball, teetering at the top of a 2+, bottom of 3+.
I took 1 toke and things were getting intensely visual but I was completely calm and peaceful. The visuals were crisp and very active.
2-3 min later I took 1 more and I visited a magnificent moving 3d landscape, sub-breakthrough since I didn't feel sober, but every other time I've visited this room/realm I have been terrified and begging for it to end. This time I felt at peace.

The only reason I didn't press on further is because I was so excited it worked that I got up and wrote about it then started to write this thread.
That and I know that there is no rush, especially with this method.

I would love to hear if this works for other people who are having issues with fear and blocked-breathrough and any of the many things I've had.

I'll update this when I finally do breakthrough.

Q21Q21's Tek: A comprehensive guide to extracting DMT
The 2 teks use non-toxic lime and vinegar and Tek 1: d-Limonene or Xylene or Tek 2: Naptha to produce very quick high yields with the greatest of ease.

I am almost never on this site anymore so I will likely not answer PMs

 
tele
#2 Posted : 1/3/2012 8:48:24 PM
It's interesting how in my experience the same dose and seemingly even state of mind can produce very different experiences at different days, basically my journeys are never the same. Even with sublingual caapi extract, it does give that nice caapi spirit, but the journeys themselves can be from very pleasant to very unpleasant, even when before blasting off the dose is the same and state of mind seems to be same. I can't help but wonder the mechanisms of DMT that launches the nature of the journey, and the nature of the entities(if any) who come to "stop by". Usually I take everything in single inhalation, starting with a 15mg warm up dose and then 20-30mg dose(s).
I have found the most effective way to "direct" the experience is stating (inside mind) my intentions and what do I wish from the experience, sometimes the results are directly what I have asked for. DMT is kind of like playing with fire, I think it's very difficult to control it. Luckily I have had only few "difficult" experiences, but before they came, I would have no clue that it's going to happen. These days all I need is strenght of mind before blasting off, knowing anything that might come my way will not "move me unpleasantly".

Have you tried taking the whole dose in single slow inhalation?
I'm just wondering because 40mg is very much enough for me when taken in single inhalation to go to "that weird dimension"
 
q21q21
#3 Posted : 1/3/2012 9:12:58 PM
I've smoked >40mg in <30seconds a little over a dozen times and it ranges from malformed shapeless visions with IMMENSE psychedelic intensity , the visuals moving at massive speed with intensity through the roof causing knee-jerk terror, anxiety and regret reaction to clear visions with entities (usually laughing at my pathetic terror) along with IMMENSE psychedelic intensity, the visuals moving at massive speed with intensity through the roof causing knee-jerk terror anxiety and regret reaction.
I never "got anything" from any of the experiences in any way shape or form, just apprehension about doing it again for a while.

I have weird reactions to psychedelics as I've stated before. Good example here is: No matter how out-of-this-world and terrifying any of those DMT experiences were, one puff off a joint and I'm 2-3 times more petrified than any of them.

Another thing that is useful to mention about the slowly-easing-in method is that the intensity is SO SO much less. Likely the intensity is due to the massive negative emotions in the all-in-one-go attempts.

Q21Q21's Tek: A comprehensive guide to extracting DMT
The 2 teks use non-toxic lime and vinegar and Tek 1: d-Limonene or Xylene or Tek 2: Naptha to produce very quick high yields with the greatest of ease.

I am almost never on this site anymore so I will likely not answer PMs

 
damon
#4 Posted : 1/3/2012 9:52:04 PM
You're sounding like maybe smoking just isn't for you, like you would prefer the oral route. I'm a "getting" older guy, so radical transitions are just not for me. I prefer the slower overall transition with oral, and then supplementing with smoking if desired. Even at lower doses of oral, the smoking experience is much more tolerable. Are you getting wierd results with the oral route?
 
q21q21
#5 Posted : 1/4/2012 5:36:18 AM
I'm running low on harmalas at the moment and I just started working full time again from part-time and no-time so although I would like to try oral, I only have like 2 1/2 oral doses left at the moment.
I have had one really strong pharmahuasca, it was 150mg which I mistook for 75mg and it took me to the depths of terrifying oblivion for a quite a while. I think that this method will work fine for me. I've used it 5 or 6 times and it has been beautiful each time.
Q21Q21's Tek: A comprehensive guide to extracting DMT
The 2 teks use non-toxic lime and vinegar and Tek 1: d-Limonene or Xylene or Tek 2: Naptha to produce very quick high yields with the greatest of ease.

I am almost never on this site anymore so I will likely not answer PMs

 
jamie
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#6 Posted : 1/4/2012 5:49:14 AM
I did this alot too at one point..though I would drink caapi with about a gram of mimosa then smoke 5-10mg etc hits spaced apart..smoking DMT in any form just is not much my thing anymore..for a while what are doing was a bit better, but now I just prefer oral DMT.

Smoking smaller hits over a period of time with harmalas is closer to oral..but still oral is far superior I find. You just have to get the dose just right which takes a while..with just enough harmalas so that it is not too much you can have deep oral experiences that only last 2 hours.

Snuffing DMT also has alot of advantages over smoking except for the burn.
Long live the unwoke.
 
tele
#7 Posted : 1/4/2012 10:23:39 AM
jamie wrote:

with just enough harmalas so that it is not too much you can have deep oral experiences that only last 2 hours.


How do you personally make it last 2 hours?
 
damon
#8 Posted : 1/4/2012 2:41:27 PM
tele wrote:
jamie wrote:

with just enough harmalas so that it is not too much you can have deep oral experiences that only last 2 hours.


How do you personally make it last 2 hours?


Harmala dose mostly affects duration, while DMT dose mostly affects intensity. The higher the dose of either, the more unpredictable it becomes.
 
tele
#9 Posted : 1/4/2012 4:02:40 PM
damon wrote:
tele wrote:
jamie wrote:

with just enough harmalas so that it is not too much you can have deep oral experiences that only last 2 hours.


How do you personally make it last 2 hours?


Harmala dose mostly affects duration, while DMT dose mostly affects intensity. The higher the dose of either, the more unpredictable it becomes.


I know this, I was asking about jamies dosage
 
 
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