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Mysterious planet-sized object spotted near Mercury Options
 
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#1 Posted : 12/8/2011 7:40:03 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/bl...r-mercury-154443870.html

http://www.youtube.com/embed/6X96xI1gLdQ


This is rather interesting. In the link there is a video to an image taken of mercury being hit with a solar flare, and when it does, the flare reveals something that looks almost like a ship that's as big as mercury trailing behind it through space.

Nobody knows what it is yet...

Any Nexians want to speculate?
 
The Traveler
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#2 Posted : 12/8/2011 8:13:49 AM
It is pretty much stated in that article:

Head NRL group scientist Russ Howard and lead ground systems engineer Nathan Rich wrote:
Head NRL group scientist Russ Howard and lead ground systems engineer Nathan Rich say the mysterious object is in fact Mercury itself. And what we're seeing in the footage is the equivalent of Mercury's wake, "where the planet was on the previous day," as it travels through the solar system on its natural gravitational path:

wrote:
To make the relatively faint glow of a coronal mass ejection stand out against the bright glare of space—caused by interplanetary dust and the stellar/galactic background—the NRL scientists must remove as much background light as possible. They explained that they determine what light is background light, and thus can be subtracted out, by calculating the average amount of light that entered each camera pixel on the day of the CME event and on the previous day. Light appearing in the pixels on both days is considered to be background light and is removed from the footage of the CME. The remaining light is then enhanced.


About every footage you see is enhanced since for example not many people can see UV, infrared light or gamma radiation. They clearly state how they do their enhancing (that should be no secret, you can probably find a lot about the way certain images are enhanced and why they do that on the web).

On Wikipedia you can read about Mercury:

  • "This exosphere is not stable—atoms are continuously lost and replenished from a variety of sources. Hydrogen and helium atoms probably come from the solar wind, diffusing into Mercury’s magnetosphere before later escaping back into space."

  • "Despite its small size and slow 59-day-long rotation, Mercury has a significant, and apparently global, magnetic field. According to measurements taken by Mariner 10, it is about 1.1% as strong as the Earth’s."


So Mercury leaves a trail of particles in it's wake, just like the people from NRL state. Also Mercury has a global magnetic field just like Earth has.

This image about the magnetic field of mercury is also interesting:


The bow shock is what I think we see here: The solar wind hitting the magnetic field of mercury. Due to the black blob of removed light and the enhancement of the surrounding light makes it a rather spectacular video.

What NASA could do is release the unedited images Though when they do, they will probably have to respond to about every highly dubious claim they get, NASA simply does not have the resources for that. Also the UFO people will probably state that NASA edited the 'unedited' images since they will not like the outcome. Talking about some serious cases of Dunning-Kruger effect. Rolling eyes


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Entheojen
#3 Posted : 12/8/2011 9:34:43 AM
But it's more fun to believe it's a spaceship Very happy
The trees spoke to me through the wind. The more I listened, the more they spoke.
 
SpartanII
#4 Posted : 12/8/2011 11:35:32 AM
Entheojen wrote:
But it's more fun to believe it's a spaceship Very happy


Laughing I agree.

The thing is, it's not really "scientific" to jump to either conclusion right off the bat. :idea: Maybe time will tell, maybe we may never know.

Although I'm not assuming anything right now, this is a little alarming (to me) when added to the other sightings and pictorial/video evidence of UFO's, especially the pics/videos a of what could be "motherships" around the sun, moon, and earth that I've seen.
 
Citta
#5 Posted : 12/8/2011 3:52:01 PM
You're wrong. In this case, automatically assuming it is a spaceship is not very scientific, it's just fun. Explanations like the ones served in traveler's post and in the article, are far more likely to be closer to the truth, and is therefore scientific. No need for wishful thinking when there's better alternatives.
 
SpartanII
#6 Posted : 12/8/2011 4:39:10 PM
Citta wrote:
You're wrong. In this case, automatically assuming it is a spaceship is not very scientific, it's just fun. Explanations like the ones served in traveler's post and in the article, are far more likely to be closer to the truth, and is therefore scientific. No need for wishful thinking when there's better alternatives.


Laughing How can I be wrong if I made no absolute claims? I didn't assume it was a "spaceship", that's how you interpreted my post. So, in that sense, you are wrong.Wink

For now, nobody knows what it is, so you may as well lose the stuck up attitude.Rolling eyes
 
Citta
#7 Posted : 12/8/2011 5:30:20 PM
Capiche. But do you agree that it is more reasonable to assume it is not a spaceship? The phenomenon here can be explained very well through known laws of physics and chemistry, with no need for spaceships.
 
Tek
#8 Posted : 12/8/2011 5:47:21 PM
It's interesting and that's about all (I giggled when the guy in the video exclaimed 'this may as well be full disclosure for me'... seriously dude?).

Spaceship? Sort of looks like one I won't lie, but then again how far away is Mercury from us you know? A lot of times planes look like UFOs to me if they're high enough up in the sky and are lit differently then most others.

lol what's funny is not all that long ago I'd have jumped on every topic like this, lapping up all sorts of information trying to convince myself aliens exist. Having had the psychedelic experiences I have since that time, the existence of aliens is so matter-of-fact (to me) that even if this was a spaceship it's be less exciting than meeting 'them' in hyperspace.
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SpartanII
#9 Posted : 12/8/2011 6:49:39 PM
Citta wrote:
Capiche. But do you agree that it is more reasonable to assume it is not a spaceship? The phenomenon here can be explained very well through known laws of physics and chemistry, with no need for spaceships.


"More reasonable" is relative.

It's just that when I put this into the context of other evidence I've seen of UFO's, and the synchronicity I've experienced around the phenomenon that it gets creepy. I know it's comforting to put The Unknown into a neat little box, but personally I've experienced too many weird and unexplainable things to do this.
 
The Traveler
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#10 Posted : 12/8/2011 7:02:35 PM
SpartanII wrote:
Citta wrote:
Capiche. But do you agree that it is more reasonable to assume it is not a spaceship? The phenomenon here can be explained very well through known laws of physics and chemistry, with no need for spaceships.


"More reasonable" is relative.

It's just that when I put this into the context of other evidence I've seen of UFO's, and the synchronicity I've experienced around the phenomenon that it gets creepy. I know it's comforting to put The Unknown into a neat little box, but personally I've experienced too many weird and unexplainable things to do this.

I don't understand why you still think an alien spaceship is in the same league of probability as what was already explained, even by the original source of the video.

Also what I wrote makes perfect sense with what we observed many times before: electrical charged material hitting the magnetic field of an astronomical body (Northern lights or Aurora Borealis might ring a bell?). That you have had certain experiences has little to do with what we see on this video and the explanation of it.

I love to think out of the ordinary but that does not mean I should let my brain fall out of my open mind. Pleased


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Citta
#11 Posted : 12/8/2011 7:25:29 PM
SpartanII wrote:
Citta wrote:
Capiche. But do you agree that it is more reasonable to assume it is not a spaceship? The phenomenon here can be explained very well through known laws of physics and chemistry, with no need for spaceships.


"More reasonable" is relative.

It's just that when I put this into the context of other evidence I've seen of UFO's, and the synchronicity I've experienced around the phenomenon that it gets creepy. I know it's comforting to put The Unknown into a neat little box, but personally I've experienced too many weird and unexplainable things to do this.

It's not about comfort, it is about not being so open minded that your brain pops out. We didn't start explaining natural phenomena through Logic and Reason because of some comfort zone (actually, often we are led out of our comfort zone of wishful thinking), but to face reality as it actually appears stripped of our hopes and feelings about how it all ought to be.

Furthermore, your experiences are not of much intrinsic value for us to actually draw some sound conclusions about objective phenomena, even though they may be of immensive value to you personally.

In this case, it makes perfect sense to blame known natural phenomena that occur frequently in space, while it does not make perfect sense to blame aliens. It's as simple as that, but it certainly is interesting and exciting nevertheless.
 
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#12 Posted : 12/8/2011 9:19:01 PM
Thanks for the epic reply, The Traveler. Makes much more sense ;]
 
SpartanII
#13 Posted : 12/8/2011 9:36:33 PM
Quote:
We didn't start explaining natural phenomena through Logic and Reason because of some comfort zone (actually, often we are led out of our comfort zone of wishful thinking), but to face reality as it actually appears stripped of our hopes and feelings about how it all ought to be.


Quote:
Thanks for the epic reply, The Traveler. Makes much more sense ;]


Well I'm glad to hear that your Gods- Reason and Logic have put your minds at ease. Wink

 
The Traveler
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#14 Posted : 12/8/2011 11:29:22 PM
SpartanII wrote:
Quote:
We didn't start explaining natural phenomena through Logic and Reason because of some comfort zone (actually, often we are led out of our comfort zone of wishful thinking), but to face reality as it actually appears stripped of our hopes and feelings about how it all ought to be.


Quote:
Thanks for the epic reply, The Traveler. Makes much more sense ;]


Well I'm glad to hear that your Gods- Reason and Logic have put your minds at ease. Wink


Its not about god but about logic and reason that you are able to read this webpage. Pleased

Without logic and reason we would not be communicating here.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
soulfood
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#15 Posted : 12/8/2011 11:50:34 PM
Well... My brain isn't so good at processing physics, so I don't understand Trav's response...

However, I do know that there are no such thing as aliens!

Jesus told me so Smile
 
PrimateSphinx
#16 Posted : 12/9/2011 12:04:46 AM
soulfood wrote:
Well... My brain isn't so good at processing physics, so I don't understand Trav's response...

However, I do know that there are no such thing as aliens!

Jesus told me so Smile

Jesus was an alien...mannnnnnnnn... yeah it's always funny to see someone absolutely sure that the youtube video they post is "proof" of aliens, but that does certainly look odd to say the least. get out your tinfoil tophats everyone, they're coming...
What are we but stupefied dancers to a discordant stystem, we believe - so we're mislead
we assume - so we're played
we confide - so we're deceived
we trust - so we're betrayed


 
bodhi
#17 Posted : 12/9/2011 3:15:37 AM
Amusing comments from DailyTech debunking story

quote:
...just the team from the Intergalactic Highway Construction Consortium (IHCC) on their way to notify us that we have 9 minutes before they begin the demolition process here...

So I was talking to this dolphin this morning and he said he was leaving....

Response:

Bastards. After we give them all that free fish too.
 
Citta
#18 Posted : 12/9/2011 6:16:11 AM
I'm just curious here; why is it that some of you, and so many others elsewhere in society, are so quick to think and/or assume that phenomena like this have to be aliens? And if you still do not agree that it is extremely unlikely that it's aliens in light of thourough scientific explanations, I must ask why?

Again, I'm just being curious as to what lies behind =)
 
PrimateSphinx
#19 Posted : 12/9/2011 6:46:29 AM
Great question Citta,

Just as a disclaimer I want to say that i don't think the phenomena in that video is an alien spaceship but I am truly a layman when it comes to physics so trav's explanation doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I think that some people like to jump to the conclusion that phenomena is an alien spacecraft because of the extreme desire of many people to not want to be alone in the universe. I think the question of whether or not we are alone in the universe is and has always been a huge part of the human experience so I think its only natural that people would look for aliens in stuff like this. Like I said I don't necessarily think that this is a spaceship because i have no proof and it seems that there is evidence on the contrary but my belief that there are space-faring civilizations remains strong. that's my two centsPleased
What are we but stupefied dancers to a discordant stystem, we believe - so we're mislead
we assume - so we're played
we confide - so we're deceived
we trust - so we're betrayed


 
Hyperspace Fool
#20 Posted : 12/9/2011 9:15:50 AM
Citta wrote:
I'm just curious here; why is it that some of you, and so many others elsewhere in society, are so quick to think and/or assume that phenomena like this have to be aliens? And if you still do not agree that it is extremely unlikely that it's aliens in light of thourough scientific explanations, I must ask why?

Again, I'm just being curious as to what lies behind =)


Regardless of what this particular image shows, many people believe in aliens because they have had the experience of seeing them, meeting them, interacting with them, being abducted by them etc.

Whatever you think about the credibility of such reports, the sheer number of them is enough to make a lot more people not close their minds to the idea that there are intelligent life forms that did not originate on the planet Earth.

Fact is, most scientists believe that alien life exists... they just generally think that they would be too far away to come here, or simply are agnostic about whether they might have ever been in this neck of the woods.

Given the sheer size of the galaxy, the universe, the multiverse, and the assumed higher dimensions predicted by string theory... the chances that there aren't aliens in existence is basically nil. If the multiverse is infinite, there must be an infinite number of life forms. Period.

So, again... when literally millions of people from all over the world, from all walks of life, including scientists, politicians, and other famous people with nothing to gain from being labeled kooks... all claim to have had close encounters... it doesn't make one insane or retarded to entertain the fantastic notion that it might be true.

Furthermore, here, of all places, where most people posting have used the alkaloid DMT... of which the only clinical test in modern times ended with the conducting researcher claiming that nearly everyone he administered it to had experiences that precisely resembled alien encounters... it seems odd that one would even question why some of us might have cause to believe in alien intelligences. Rick Strassman has even penned a 2nd book entitled "Inner Paths to Outer Space: Journeys to Alien Worlds through Psychedelics and Other Spiritual Technologies."

Whatever you think of him, he is a scientist, and continues to receive grant money...

Even for those people who have not had direct experiences that could be interpreted as alien encounters... the archaeological record has a number of very striking pieces of evidence that make a strong case for beings of highly advanced technology having been on this rock in antiquity.

Perhaps people are more apt to take alien life seriously because they've been watching too much Ancient Aliens on the History Channel?

Possibly, but I dare you to go to Puma Punku and tell me stone age people could have made that ruin... or moved the super massive megalithic blocks at Baalbek... or any of the hundreds of unexplainable ruins all over the world. Pyramids deep underwater, golden models of working aircraft designs... not to mention the written records of EVERY SINGLE CULTURE on the planet. From the Bible to the Vedas to the Popul Vuh. From Greek myths to Zulu to Hopi to Polynesian... you can't find a single culture on the planet that doesn't talk about sky beings and the gifts they gave humanity.

Flaming chariots, Vedic vimanas, Sumerian shem... there are so many ancient accounts of spaceships, that it is hard not to read an ancient myth (including the Bible) that doesn't mention one.

While all of this might not amount to the direct evidence you desire, it is plenty enough to not ridicule people who might lean towards the obvious explanation.

I think that it is also not uncalled for to entertain the possibility that if there is direct evidence, or if photos that shouldn't be seen might've slipped into the public domain... that there would be people who might find it prudent to cover these things up or engage in disinformation.

Just saying.
"Curiouser and curiouser..." ~ Alice

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." ~ Buddha
 
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