Hey guys SWIM has been extracting DMT for a few years now and I would like to think I know my stuff. I have run into a lot of problems and screwed up a bunch of different ways but this one takes the cake. I am stumped so heres the problem. I end up with very impure DMT, not even smokable. I will post my method below so you know what I am doing. But i basically end up freezing a psychoactive gel like substance out of my naptha. I think its bad bark (I purchased 5 kg from a well known supplier, not sure if i can put names.)

So at the end when i freeze precip i end up with a gel, when that gel dries i end up with really impure DMT. Here is my method I am wondering if you guys think its my method or the bark.

1) I cook 400g in crockpot baked 2 times at 2 hours each. 1/2 gal the first time 1/2 the second.
2) I let the contents i pour off sit overnight and then i decant to remove any sludge.
3) Lye to ph 13 or basically until black
4) 300ml naptha rolled around on lye/alkaloid mix for 5 minutes.
5) freeze precip and a crystalline type gel remains behind, when that dries i am left with impure dmt.

What is going wrong? Recrystallizing doesnt help as the impurities are non-polar. Any ideas guys? Is it the bark?

If you keep bumping into problems, look up q21q21's tek, can't fail.

Ok thats just a different tech, and if i must add that doesn't appear to be as thorough as my variation of marsafolds tek. Its to my method, I use an A/B extraction. Any other ideas?

If I am missing something here explain to me why another A/B tek would be better? Still uses an acid, heat and a non polar solvent.

Any help guys?

When doing an a/b tek if you defat during the acid step, you get a cleaner product, just for future reference.

It could be you didn't base enough, did you measure ph? It could be that your solvent wasn't clean did you do an evap test?

If there is spice in your gunk a sodium carb wash and a proper recrystallization will give you clean crystals.

Sodium Carbonate Wash
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...hould_I_wash_my_spice.3F

Recrystallization
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...oes_one_recrystallize.3F

This section may or may not be useful for you
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m....27s_my_snow_globe.27.3F

If all that doesn't work you can always do a mini a/b on your impure material as well:
*dissolve impure material in vinegar, add same amount of water (ie if it took 100ml of vinegar to dissolve the material add 100ml water)
*defat by pulling with a small amount of naptha 2-3 times, discard this naptha as it only contains fats and oils, the spice will be in the vinegar layer
*base vinegar/water to ph 13
*pull with naptha 3-4 times, combine and keep this naptha its got your clean spice in it
*evap naptha 1/2-2/3 of the way
*freezer precip overnight for snowstorm in the moarning

You need to leave the naptha in the solution much longer than five minutes.

@chaoman not true, you just make sure the water layer comes into contact with the naptha layer. Basically the freebase gets absorbed by the naptha which it is soluble in.

^^^^^^
eh...a longer time + greater agitation improves yields, ime.

yes i know, I usually do 3 pulls, I sometimes do a third two hour cook on the bark as well. But this post was not about yields, its about purity.

Right...I was just responding to the tangent where you claimed 5 minutes was enough...imo, it's not.

Also, you should be able to separate np-impurities from dmt in solvent by the relative heaviness of the impurities (you get two layers of liquid/oil)...separate the top layer from the bottom layer to clean.

3 pulls with solvent for only 5 minutes each are the start of your problems IMO. Even if you pull 3 times, 5 minutes is not going to pull everything.

Ok guys I have found the culpurate. It is a gel like substance present in the bark. I tried defating and got no luck. Anyone had anything like a gel like substance in the freeze precipitation along with white dmt with the consistancy of salt?

The gel your talking about isn't the oily oxidized dmt is it? I'm assuming that your talking about something much more exotic.
I get oil and crystals in the same precip jar sometimes.

Huh? Gel like substance in the bark

Are you sure your bark is from a good source?
You shouldn't have to do a defat with mimosa and I've never heard of anyone having any gel in the actual bark.

You said your using naptha right?

What brand is it?

no its not dmt-n-oxide thats a yellow/crystaline oil. this is clear/brown. This goop makes the dmt unsmokeable, makes it feel like your inhailing needles. I have been making dmt the same way for years. It is not the naptha, I tried two brands that both leave no residue. VM&P and Ace's brand. The lye is pure sodium hydroxide. ace's brand. I know mimosa doesnt need a defat! I have known that for years, I just did it because it was suggested above. The bark is from Adenium which i thought is the main supplier but F*ck them, There is fillers/contaiminates in my bark. That is my only explanation

Bump?

Since the last posting of this SWIM has tried other sources of bark, other sources of dmt (acacia confusa), to no avail.

I should let you know all variables have been changed out.

other sources of sodium hydroxide.
other sources of bark.
other sources of naptha.

I must tell you guys my technique is that of a chemist. SWIM is familiar with other extractions/synthesis.

any other opinions on avenue's I should explore?

Sorry man but adenium has great bark. Their bark is of really great quality. I really dont understand, if you have been extracting DMT for years without problems this makes no sense. Adenium has always been great IME. Obviousily your technique is not that of a chemist if you get this with all barks you try and all kinds of lye, solvents etc.

true if i had a lab it be different, i would be able to do chromotography to tell purities/impurities.

I would also have lab grade chemicals from a trusted source and there would be no reason to try different methods, sources, chemicals etc.

So thanks for your input dick.

I will now explore other avenue's such as the bark being contaminate or altered after it leaves adenium or a trusted supplier and is received by me.

I had some Gel/Gummi too:

Usually i do STB extraction but last weekend i did my first A/B with powder MHRB with a defating.
After acid-cooking i let the brew cool down and sediment to simplify the painful straining/filtering-process.
I detected on the surface of the brew a gummi-like / Gel-like film, which was very easy to remove. It had the look
and feel of natural latex.
This "gummi-film" emerged on the second and third acid extract too.

To make a long story short, compared to STB:

-I used only a fraction Lye.
-No emulsion.
-Super Clean Product, nice white Crystals: 3.280g / 300g

I wuold try another A/B with your "Gel-Spice"

brandon702, that is not the way to talk to people in this forum by calling them ´dicks´, please check the Attitude page and the warnings that appear on top of your screen before you post something. Many different people are here trying to help you out, so be happy for it. Maybe jamie was a bit harsh to you but he did not call you names, this is unnapropriate.

Are you using plastic for your extraction ? That can be one possibility. Also, arent you contradicting yourself if you say its like a gel but that it has a consistency of salt? Salt is far from being a gel.

Lastly, there´s loads of way to clean up your spice and I cannot understand why it wouldnt work for you. Redissolve your spice in acidic water, defat, rebase, repull, freeze precip. Another option is to FASA on your solvent, that should def separate fumarate crystals from most impurities at least.

ermmmm, get another hobby?