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bindu
#1 Posted : 9/18/2011 9:18:51 PM
Im really curious about it, are there some real healers at the nexus here?

People that can repeatedly "heal" certain diseases or ailments, with expierience.

If youre not too shy then identify yourself and your area of expertise. Doesent matter if youre a licenced MD a supershaman or a grandmother with hemorrhoid tincture.
blessed be all forms of intelligence
 
۩
Senior Member
#2 Posted : 9/18/2011 9:20:21 PM
The real healer is the DMT-Nexus itself as an entity.
 
Ice
#3 Posted : 9/18/2011 9:27:58 PM
Or rather each self in this Nexus entity is capable of healing.

Leave it up to no one except yourself to heal yourself.
We are...
We are like that sentence.
We are not finished.
 
bindu
#4 Posted : 9/18/2011 9:32:15 PM
i agree that only we can heal ourselves, budd im curious if there are any people here that "can" help others effectively to heal themselfs. By "can" i mean, have done so many times in the past and are most likely able to do so in the future.
blessed be all forms of intelligence
 
a1pha
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#5 Posted : 9/18/2011 9:39:49 PM
bindu wrote:
i agree that only we can heal ourselves, budd im curious if there are any people here that "can" help others effectively to heal themselfs.

There are many 'real' healers here at the Nexus - But I think most are too humble to self-identify as such. Just good people trying to do what they can to help others.
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -A.Huxley
 
bindu
#6 Posted : 9/18/2011 9:43:35 PM
a1pha wrote:

There are many 'real' healers here at the Nexus - But I think most are too humble to self-identify as such. Just good people trying to do what they can to help others.


i guessed so

well in case the realones do not want to identify oneselfes a healing "story" may satisfy my curiosity

please excuse my shameless curiousness but i cant help myself asking

blessed be all forms of intelligence
 
Phantastica
#7 Posted : 9/18/2011 10:14:01 PM
^this is a beautiful post by Antrocles: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=19793
Very happy
<3
 
endlessness
#8 Posted : 9/18/2011 10:15:57 PM
What kind of healing are you talking about in the first place?

I would be very VERY wary of people claiming to "cure diseases" if its anything serious such as cancer and what not. I think there's way too many self-deluded 'healers' out there, pseudo shamans and straight up charlatans. These people are commonly feasting on gullible people with little critical thinking, misleadingly justifying their pseudo cures and alternative treatments by pointing to some few bad examples of western medicine practice, as well as using confirmation-bias-fallacious arguments and skewed "cure" statistics to show the alternative treatments work.

In the lines of what Art Van D Lay said here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=271110#post271110 , as well as considering our policy regarding medical advice: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=20759 , I certainly hope any supposed healer here realizes they should not use the Nexus to treat over the internet other members who have serious health problems, or at least not tell them to stop their treatment. Complementary non-invasive and non-exclusive treatments and a holistic view of human being is good, ignoring all our scientifically established reliable knowledge about the human body and putting others in danger is not.

By the way, people very often idealize the power of shamans, but many of the indigenous 'shamans' (they dont even use this word) are very clear that they cant cure every disease, that for several things the western medicine is more effective.
 
bindu
#9 Posted : 9/18/2011 10:39:09 PM
endlessness wrote:
I would be very VERY wary of people claiming to "cure diseases" if its anything serious such as cancer and what not. I think there's way too many self-deluded 'healers' out there, pseudo shamans and straight up charlatans.


Thats right, most are shit.
But im asking here i think there the chance for moron infection is significantly less then somewhere else.
Here is a special place i fink

endlessness wrote:

What kind of healing are you talking about in the first place?


Anything, from pimpels to cancers


Not looking for treatments, just for "stories"...

blessed be all forms of intelligence
 
Xt
Senior Member
#10 Posted : 9/19/2011 2:58:11 AM
endlessness wrote:
the white man's medicine


Many Black, Asian and day glo green people invent and sell pharmaceutical medicines too you know, lets not rainbowist.

“Right here and now, one quanta away, there is raging a universe of active intelligence that is transhuman, hyperdimensional, and extremely alien... What is driving religious feeling today is a wish for contact with this other universe.”
― Terence McKenna
 
endlessness
#11 Posted : 9/19/2011 8:01:09 AM
You are absolutely right, I merely meant to use the common expression used by (some) indigenous people themselves, but your criticism (and joke) is very valid, so just edited my post Smile
 
majesticnature
#12 Posted : 9/19/2011 5:07:09 PM
If you want to hear stories about miraculous healing buy the book the power of the subconciouss mind. It's similar to the idea of the law of attraction. It's about the power to heal yourself and others, as well as many other abilities, that can be accomplished through the power of the mind. There are quite a few stories in there to enjoy.
All of my post are fictional in nature for the purpose of self entertainment.
 
mew
#13 Posted : 9/20/2011 7:26:14 PM
if you choose a life with entheogens as a sacrament, experiencing (vicariously or not) healing is an everyday happening

grow on~<3
 
ms_manic_minxx
Moderator
#14 Posted : 9/21/2011 9:28:58 AM
I only performed an exorcism once. It was an amazing experience, but totally at the discretion of Ayahuasca (it was clear SHE was making it happen, I just got lucky enough to experience).

I pulled some snakes out of someone and smote them with my heel. Then I sucked black tar out of the heart chakra and puked like I have never puked before.

...The person phoned me a week later to say they accidentally let the snakes (psychological problems) back in. All that vomit for naught. ~.~

It was fascinating, though, as it was my only true experience of the sucking/blowing healing talked about in the jungle, along with something like astral surgery... feel honored to have had the experience once. I think it's so cool if anyone can do that on command. Cool

Some people DO love their serpents. It also raised the question in my mind as to whether or not anyone can actually truly heal anyone else, or if the process must be completely self-directed (I think I know my answer).
Some things will come easy, some will be a test
 
blacklist666
#15 Posted : 9/21/2011 10:54:48 AM
I see healing allot more than just cultural deprogramming, building yourself up, accepting what is, letting go of past blinders, etc. I see healing as a process of understanding in acceptance of what works to resolve incongruities in how our living organism (brain and all) impedes it's own maximum healthy growth in relation to the living systems it is dependent upon as much as it serves in betterment of self.

This is less than 1% of how I see and practice the facilitation of healing (However I would never claim I did any of this for other persons, I simply made them aware of things already inside themselves)

Gather all you have suffered, learned, experienced, let go of, grown from, conceptualized, felt, reshaped, healed with, and worked inside your head, and look to a universal disclaimer on all healing. It can be argued anyone professing they were healed by another really healed within themselves. The intent, depth of understanding, quality of communication, receptivity, and depth of inquiry work to widen the breadth and conceptual framework people are working with inside themselves. The mindfulness one practices (one conceptual jump to another) has a place to play with a focused intent. Only congruency in your highest ideal, belief, concept, and what order your priorities in life are in relation to your base nature will establish a groundwork foundational enough upon which effective inner work can be established. When our responsibility for ourselves is strengthened regardless if it is by self acceptance for that role as mediator within, or an outside belief system we let hijack our inner realm, it has to be fluid, but autonomous without reassurance from the sense of influence from another persons will or power. Confidence is as much congruency between intent, action, and though as it is a facilitator of an almost em-pathogenic capacity for change within our mental framework.

Depending on the work to be accomplished, it befalls us to humble ourselves to the possibility that most "healing" people do internally (without thinking about it) comes from a sort of mental adaptability constituent upon a number of faculties there from derives an understanding that a number of cognitive tools necessitate change, others predicate it. Then there are the cognitive tools that either build or dissolve resistance (lack of acceptance) towards the belief in the ability and inner power to heal one's self in the first place.

I feel it is within us all collectively the responsibility to put to work (with the least effort possible in pure concept) the formula of language, wording, vocabulary, conceptual frameworks, and facilitation that comes from a life lived to gain experience in order to pass it on from one being into the purest intention of a good heart. When the heart speaks the mind listens. Mirror neurons allow empathy to touch common places inside our neurological / biological response mechanism within our brains. Once we see through each other in finding ourselves in one another, we loosen up our will for defensiveness, and / or our need to assert ourselves over another. This is where authentic transmutation of pure concept is derived. From this place we can objectify the language we use internally as coping mechanisms, and really get to the bottom of our underlying weaknesses, insecurities, and vulnerabilities in a manner in which their is perfect trust in how we begin to address said mechanisms for interaction within. From there you can ask yourself if said part of you really functions in the way that is best for your being without inhibition over what you choose to be.

By carefully examining upon reflection these shifts we have conditioned within ourselves we put our finger on the pulse of our character often for the first time since we were children. To point something out allows change. Without having solidity inside and throughout with how you treat yourself and the world our resolve waivers. Unjustified fear of taking action, initiating change, or a habit of sustained inaction restrict malleability.

Strip away everything until you are down to the animistic, reptilian, tribal, shadow-self tendencies; (self destructive at base) and learn to play within them in such a way for mutual acceptance for "what we are" while limiting misgivings that arise from submitting to "destructive impulsive drives" while choosing and acknowledging aspect of them we can use.

Simultaneously direct this raw primal energy into our art, self exploration, dance, creativeness, and other aspects of our life in order that our will to live is not inhibited by our lifestyle. Safe boundaries need to be drawn around how we can use our impulsive desires without a moderation that causes taboo, a restrictiveness that feels restrained, or an over indulgence that necessitates abstaining from said behavior in order to re-establish desire for it. There should be healthy ways to understand the physiological responses we receive from performing said behaviors in order to understand where the desire arises from in the first place. I think by becoming one with your baser nature while maintaining a personal code of civility for living within and throughout one is setting up a temperance between man's divided nature. This system helps to established self regulation inside. Once one takes responsibility carefully guarding how their mood makes impressions upon others they may begin to find a will to not leave another person with an abundance or deficit of energy. (contingent upon how your mind & mood are doing)

Once one has all this, they have thousands of questions inside. They must be at a place to question why those impressions arise from looking within. Sometimes listening within is the best teacher after all. Sometimes not. It's so circumstantial it's impossible to cover all aspects. Energy work is good, and so are hundreds of other modalities of healing practiced professionally and otherwise. My opinion is the effectiveness of the mirrors the facilitator provides are only as effective as the mirrors the one receiving assistance has between their shadow, inner, and outer selves.

Healing involves the mind, emotion, nervous system, health, diet, exercise, sleeping patterns, psychological makeup, history, belief systems, and so many other aspects that to take credit for such a fundamental change inside of another person is for the most point irrelevant. All we can do is lead by example, and share. Sometimes we share because we feel a need to empathize with another without asking their permission. It is a fine line between intellectual vanity, and a sincere will power to help another person. No person who assumes they know all the answers is receptive enough to delve inside another persons psyche deep enough to really know how and if what we do truly heals. On the other hand, I have seen pure child like unconditional love asking for nothing in return change people for the better.
I= SWIM = Not Me. The I AM I Does Not Exist, and is Referenced to SWIM Who Is Not A Friend I Never Met, Nor Hallucinated While Imagining The Is-ness of Suchness That Is SWIM Who Is Not Me, Myself, Nor I As The Expression Of Non Dual Aspect of Non-Dual Reality Subjectively Denied By Swim, or accompanying Me-Anti-ness'es. =) All Credit Goes To The ANTI-SWIM'ness of SWIM's cousin's room-mate's uncle's deceased cat's in-law's second removed nephew's aunt WHOM authored SWIM's 2000 Year Old Desert Scribblings from a drunk rabbit in the Serengeti desert found in an insane asylum under water, on Easter eggs, crucified by the on fire pagan music listening christian maniac from India running around believing he was Jesus repenting this bush he called the Acacia tree; So I Heard from a bum who claims to be SWIM, But I Forgot... And Again, "I" Refers To Someone Who Is Not Me.
 
Shamasi Wiz
#16 Posted : 12/18/2011 5:30:08 AM
The first time I ever had a "spiritual" experience(with aid from very small doses of mushrooms over a few days) I healed a dog.Smile I had gone slightly mad, but had come in contact with such a pure, powerful, and loving presence that I could only describe as God at the time. The poor little pup belonged to my ex-girlfriend's family, and the vet had just found a large tumor in its throat. It hadn't really been eating for about two weeks, and could hardly walk or see(it was already an old dog). They were debating trying a surgery to remove it that would be risky.

Anyway, after everybody had gone to bed, I called the pup, Tokey, over to me. She slowly and shakily came over. My senses were still super enhanced, and my heart was very much still in touch with this "God" that was everywhere. I could feel her pain and suffering, and I knew I could do something to help, so I tried. I started massaging her throat and talking to her, just trying to pour all the love that was flowing through me into her. She was a little tense at first, but began to surrender to the process.

I could feel the tightness in her throat, and slowly started to dissolve it. She started letting out little coughs, and I helped the hurting energy up her throat and out. She let out a final huge cough, and I could tell the work was done. She instantly pepped right up, her eyes were open and aware, not like the glazed-over look they had only minutes before. She then sprinted to the front door, waiting for me to let her out, which I did. She ran out and did her business, then ran straight to her food and water dishes and gobbled up a good filling of each.

About a week later, when the family took her in for a pre-surgery exam, the tumor was completely gone, and she supposedly looked healthier than she had been in years. I never mentioned to the family what I had done, as my sanity was in question at the time, but I'm very convinced that I healed that doggy. I wish I could always be in touch with that kind of energy, and others as well, because I know we can all heal each other in amazing ways. It took a lot of intense contemplation, a stretching of my self and my abilities, and pure intent to get there. If I could help just one being in that way again, I'd be willing to go through everything I faced before and more.

These psychedelics are very powerful tools for all sorts of things, and I think I've done a lot of cool shit with themSmile, but nothing I'm more proud of than that healing experience. For me now, the difficult and important part of my journeys is finding ways to share all the wild and beautiful energy with others.
"I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it."
 
 
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