Hello out there

Im going to a Shpongle concert next Saturday, and naturally I want to indulge in a psychededlic for this event, and theres no fungus or acid anywhere in this lonely town, and I have none of my own..

So I was thinking of making myself a pharma preparation for the show..
My only reason for doing this would be to avoid a purge if possible, cause ill be at a concert lol, Ive used Aya and my "harmalosa" tea many times, and would love to just do this there, but i want to avoid puking and potentially getting kicked out lol, and a purge is usually to be expected with said combo..

but im apprehensive cause with the harmalosa, its very consistant, i know what is a solid dose, and its pretty consistant each time, it consistantly kicks ass!

but with pharma (which ive never done) ive heard theres quite a variation in the amounts needed for different people, and i dont really have time to experiment to find the perfect dose, Its pretty much all or nothin.., but then again i could probably take like 75mg, and take another 75 if needed, but iver heard wildly varying reports, from 30 mg being visionary to 250 being visionary, and of course what exactly constitutes a visionary experience is open to interpritation.

So im really just wondering what would you do?? should i use pharma and hope for the best, despite being seemingly very inconsistant, and the fact that ive never done it this way, or should I do the tried and true tea and risk a public purge lol???

Thx for the help guys, I know theres worse problems out there than "I can't decide what i want to trip on at this awesome concert" lol, but im just trying to ensure a good time, so bear with me, Thanks a million for any and all input!!

I'd take a small dose a few hours before the show (if you don't have to drive) to get a feel for how it's effecting me and then I'd up my dose appropriatly before the show.

My advice for a show is it's better to go to low than to high.

Why not just smoke some mary jane? Bake some weed brownies? search at the show? ect.. I definitely would NOT recommend taking your first dose of pharmahuasca before a concert..you have no idea how its going to affect you, even if you take what you think is going to be too little..because, as we've seen over and over again, it affects everyone very differently and the dosage ranges vary greatly from person to person. Its just too risky IMO..and even on lower level pharmahuasca trip, standing and moving can induce alot of nausea, in my experience, which took many trips to get comfortable with

Good luck in whatever you decide

Yeah, a concert doesn't seem like anywhere I'd want to be after ingesting dmt...Given it may be interestng for a moment, I'm sure that interest would dwindle into anxiety and claustrophobia...lol...do like Universecannon said...smoke a shitton of weed beforehand!

Thanks for the replies guys

FYI its the first time taking pharma, not dmt, ive had many aya and mimosa tea experiences, one of them being 8 grams mimosa tea at an OZRIC TENTACLES CONCERT which turned out to be an absolutely incredible experience, Total immersion in the music sheer bliss, best night of my life..No anxiety or claustrophobia lol the people there are generally cool i expect, and they won't be paying attention to me, ).. It was amazing, Ive done it at festivals too, also some of the best times..

I dont think this is possible with Mary Jane, lol, thats not what this is about for me. (although i do absolutely love mary jane)

Since im not familiar with pharma, and like you guys say, it can be wildly variable person to person/ night to night/ dose to dose.. I probably won't do this there, expecially since i havent used it that way yet, I was just hoping to avoid some nausea associated with the raw tea, So i will probably just go with the tea again, its very consistent and ive been using the same mimosa for over 5 years now, Ill just try to refine my rue product, rather than just grind it up and encapsulate, perhaps this will reduce the nausea.

There is a great difference between the two. Ive only had one pharma trip, and believe me, I wouldn't want to be at a concert. Pharma will definitely make you nauseas.



Why not try harmalas+cannabis? Could make for an amazing experience...



Take pharma at home, or a really secure, comfortable place.

Another good idea would be to make cannabis tea with rue. Has anyone heard of this? Sounds pretty amazing to me.

Just be careful with whatever you do. Be cautious, and safe.


Much Love & Sincerity,

Perceptual Reality

Thx perceptual,

But like i just said, I HAVE DONE oral dmt at a concert before (multiple times), in its whole, unpirified form, and have had 50+ trips on the mimosa/rue combo, Im not too woried about it, I won't be doing the pharma, like I said, ill probably just be making the tea just like I always do. The cannibis tea/harmala combo seems just as likely to induce nausea for me as the rue/mimosa combo, lol and I want to TRIP.
My question was not, would you trip dmt at shpongle? im already planning on doing that, I just wanted to know ur opinions on trying it out pharma style, or just sticking with what i know, you know? what im really looking for is possible ways to reduce the nausea if possible, maybe ill do a manske or just make a tea from the rue, should at least be better than just capping it.

Either way thanks for replying and much love back at you. I hope i dont come off as standoffish or something i just think the question was misunderstood.

Shpongle? Nice, I'm going to see them soon also. I haven't done aya, or mimosa, but I hear pharma is a bit different. The "plant's spirit" isn't present. This may be wrong though. Honestly, it's up to you. As for nausea, I hear ginger ale, or ginger beer works pretty good.

Hope you have an awesome time!

Much Love & Sincerity,

Perceptual Reality

Awesome friend, shpongle rocks!!
I recently had an amazing experience to the album R U shpongled, and particular the song Divine Moments of Truth, while on some mimosa tea, So im really looking forward to this concert!

Yeah i WILL NOT be trying pharma for this, Ill be making a mimosa/rue tea at a reasonable and conservative dose, probably 5 grams, Ive been using the same MHRB for 5 years so i am very familiar with the plant material, so this is my best option.

Thanks very much on the ginger tip!! thats what im after! or good ways to prep up the rue avoiding some nausea.
Either way thx for the love & sincerity, back at you, I hope you enjoy your show as well!

I'll be sure to update after the show on how this works out for me!

I'll be awaiting an update.

As for prepping before ingesting, maybe try eating the lightest you can that day. Or maybe for a couple days before the show.

Oh ill update for sure, ill be back sunday sometime so ill let ya know!

Yeah, ill just probably be having some roman noodles the day of eating light/healthy a few days before, as is tradition lol

If I somehow come across some fungus in boulder or at the show, I would consider doing that instead, but i don't see this happening, and im slightly sketched out (naturally) of procuring said goods from strangers.

But ill be cool on the tea, Ill take measures to reduce nausea, and have a barf bag in case, cause if I feel purge coming on, I wont avoid it, because I always feel amazing after purging, but many times i have taken the combo without purging or feeling nauseous at all, so thats what ill be hoping for.

Thanks again and wish me luck!

After building quite the rapport with pharma, I decided to take some before going to a Trey Anastasio concert. I puked at home and got dropped off at the concert where everyone was seated (so luckily the standing thing wasn't an issue because indeed it's true that standing and moving seems to augment the nausea for some reason). It ended up going well, but perhaps merely because I got lucky Here's something you may wanna do if ingesting it poses to many problems, but you'd still like to experience DMT at the shpongle show. Make some changa and roll up some changa joints. They are much more inconspicuous than any other way to smoke DMT. Use some caapi leaves or perhaps use some household plant material like peppermint or whatnot and take some rue before hand. That way it will only last for (in my experience) around an hour, and after that, if you've decided you've had enough, simply stop smoking it, or if you want more then you can go ahead and take another couple tokes.

Thankx dude good tip on the j's I was planning on bringing changa anyways. very good tip though on the taking the rue beforehand, perhaps this way, i wouldnt have to drink any tea at all, and it would still last awhile! good tip! but..
I'll be taking the tea it will be fine, Im not going to crazy on the dose so my only real concern is nausea, but at this point, im sure itll work itself out, Im not that worried about it, and the Ozric Concert I tripped probably the hardest i have in my life, and I had to run to the bathroom to projectile vomit, and that turned out beyond amazing, and there was no problems at all! (well my buddy got kicked out for being to drunk and loud lol lol hes not one for the psyches) but I was right up in the very front taking it all in.. This will be a lower dose and a more refined rue preparation...
Really looking forward to the show though thanks guys

Sounds like you got it all figured out.
Have fun at the concert. =)
Pharma is really awesome but getting the dosage and administration down is like totally mission critical.
I do have an idea and it's really just a guess -- if you know how much DMT your MHRB yields per 5 grams, you could swap out the rootbark for that much DMT -- dissolved in acidic water. As long as all the other variables remain the same, you should have about the same intensity of experience.

Lol oh no i don't presume to have it all figured out at all lol. To assume that would be stupid!!

Yeah that would be a good idea, however i strongly suspect that the raw tea, and just the dmt content from that amount of bark, would be two different things, because i suspect and i dont know why, that dosing the whole plant is more consistant, it absorbes more effectively, faster somehow, and theres probably other factors, like unknown alkaloids, or maybe the tannins help somehow, i just don't know, but thats probably why pharma is so variable from person to person, but raw teas seem somewhat more consistent.

Also i couldnt even say with exact certainty the dmt content of the bark, because i use it only for oral, I have another batch of mimosa for extracting, and even then i couldn't say for sure because the only techs I use are lime and veggie oil techs (which are somewhat experimental) and i dont even have a scale accurate to mg's lol.

But your idea is good and it does make me think about doing it this way, Thanks a bunch!!

Again thanks a bunch guys

Just wanted to chime in and say that I shall be at the very same Shpongle show as well. Though I have no plans of attempting pharma for this one (shroomies or 2c-e are the likely candidates), I have been thinking of how to get some changa in. The joints do sound like a magical idea.

When I saw Shpongle last year the smell of spice in the air was abound...looking forward to this one!

Im back now!

So this whole experience was a huge sucess!! It worked out amazingly!

I ended up drinking the tea at the show while the opening dj was going. (a combined tea of 5 grams mimosa, 4 grams rue) It didnt taste bad honestly (first time drinking rue tea instead of just swallowing the whole powder in capsules) it tasted like bad coffee.

It wasn't long before I started my trip, and usually this is about the time for nausea/purge, however there was NO NAUSEA WHATSOEVER. I attribute this to the somewhat light dose of MHRB and the fact that the rue was in a tea. So this was great since this was my main concern.

Then Hallucinogen came on to do the next set, and I was definetly tripping, but after a few songs i was just slightly worried that this was the peak, and this would likely be a pretty mild trip, not quite the experience I was looking for (expecially for when shpongle came on, I wanted to be pretty intense) .. but I figured oh well Im still having an amazing time and everythings going great. So I just let go and danced it up really enjoying the set.

Then over my shoulder I saw a nice rasta fellow with huge beard and dreads, started talking to the guy next to me about fungi, and if he would like some. I pretty much ignored them at first, then all the sudden thought, hell why not just go for it and get a chocolate.

So i did, he was an awesome guy, and I felt awesome vibes coming from him, and then proceeded to eat it on the spot. (I was told it was 1/2 of an eighth)

Im so glad i did this, The fungi combined with the previous harmalosa cocktail proved to be an awesome combination!

So as i started to come up more shpongle FINALLY came on, and right when they fired up that shpongletron rig, (the introduction was AMAZINGLY trippy) I knew I was in for one hell of a ride!

(P.S. My love, who isn't as crazy about the psyche's as me, and normally abstains, really wanted me to track down rastaman again and get her a chocolate, and later when i saw him walk by, I did get another for her and she ate it, and had an amazing time, and im so glad she was able to experience this. The ego destroying machine vibe seemed to be challenging to her at first, but I stuck right by her loving and happy, and this fear faded and she settled into having a great experience.)

The chocalate turned out to be just what i needed, I started to have an amazing and trans-personal trip. To be honest I was completely blown out of the water by the SHPONGLETRON it was so amazing and intense, I honestly believe its some seriously landmark shit, Like Hendrix playing woodstock or pink floyd doing a huge show, but only even way better. The boundaries were broke through, and the house was packed to witness it! I'm pretty sure even a completely sober person could have gone and still had his mind blown, and become convinced of the reality and importance of these things. The shpongletron is like a hardware model of this magical realm within the sub-concious or beyond normal waking conciousness, there to be viewed and beheld. Like I said im pretty sure It would have had the power to take an ordinary person, who has no idea about dmt, or even psycedelic drugs, and is generally brainwashed by the INSTITUTION, and really make them wonder about the nature of reality, and how much we still don't know about the power of the mind.

The shpongletron was like an ego-destroying machine, and like I said I felt a very trans-personal ego descending vibe during the show, Everyone was dancing and losing themselves in the music, It was great. I felt like I was taking part in the pinnacle of humanity, a timeless union with my brothers, sharing together in mystical experience.

Long after the show was done, I stayed up the whole night, In amazing and free floating thinking state of mind, I reached in my pocket and pulled out my puke bag, which i never had to think about using, and i thought about what exactly it meant, thought about it as a container, an illusion of safety, and i thought about how much fear and stress I put into trying to make things go right, and for me, this is what the bag represented, That fear that fighting the struggle to maintain control you know.. I vowed to leave that bag behind (not only the physical bag, but the fear it represented) and at that point I came to an eppifany, a moment of clarity, unexpectedly I acessed a remarkably CLEAR state of mind, I just cannot describe the place of inner peace i arrived at.. Im still riding that vibe as we speak.

just A little more about the show instead of my personal experience..

It was a really long show between the 3 sets that happened, and this was awesome! The hallucinogen set was great and there seemed to be quite a bit of new material.
But once shponlge came on and they fired up the whole she-bang, thats when it became totally epic. The shpongletron really is something to behold! along with the music it is an undulating, modulating statue or image of the psychedelic experience The visuals really were sweet and really added alot to the whole thing.

The music was of course shpongle, but there were several songs that were either new unrealeased songs, or songs specifically written for the shpongletron. and each song was a different, definetly heavier, and trippeir remix version, and the songs wove into eachother, like he would mix up vocal or melodic phrases from one song and put it to the beat of another song, so it felt like 1 nonstop venture. He did this so f*ing well! It was heavy and loud, which added to the "ego destroying machine" aspect of the experience. Trust me it was fucking mindblowing!

Thx for reading fella's