I've been very curious as to what pure L is like. I know for a fact that I've never had -25, but I remain confident that we will cross paths. I'm not quite sure where i remember this from but I heard that there is LSD-25 floating around Europe. Can anyone overseas elaborate on the quality of their doses?
Actually the question is guided toward anyone who believes they have had the original synthesis.
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Yip, there is lots of LSD around in europe, if one follows the festival circuit, they are sure to come across some. Quality wise, well ive only ever know 1 type of LSD, thats LSD. I dont know anything about "dirty/impure" LSD.
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I see what your saying and after searching google it must have been an assumption i thought i heard. I was told that it is known as LSD-25 because it was Hoffmans 25th synthesis of the chemical and was the strongest of them. I have had tabs that last 6 hours and tabs that as long as 18. Im interested in RC's but hate the fact that it can be put on blotter making it indistinguishable from the real thing.
On the other hand I had some tabs that supposedly came from Switzerland and they were absolutely amazing. I only regret that I drank a bit to take off the edge coming up. Alcohol completely kills the psychedelia of the trip. Had a great time but it was completely colorless. I guess I'm relishing it as some mystical pure original thing. Not that doses aern't strong enough, i just get this feeling that people had slightly different acid back in the 60's
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PeaceFrog wrote: I was told that it is known as LSD-25 because it was Hoffmans 25th synthesis of the chemical and was the strongest of them. Hofmann, in his LSD, My Problem Child wrote: "In 1938, I produced the twenty fifth substance in a series of lysergic acid derivatives: lysergic acid diethylamide, abbreviated LSD-25 ... for laboratory usage." via Tikhal So no, there is no psychedelic substance (named) LSD-24 that would be "a weaker type of acid". gammagore: Which festivals would that be ? Got GVG ? Mhm. Got DMT ? Pandora wrote:Nexus enjoys cutting edge and ongoing superior programming skills of the owner of this site (The Traveler), including recent switching to the .me domain name. I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block Simon Jester wrote:"WTF n00b, buy the $100 vapor pipe or GTFO" Ignorance of the law does not protect you from prosecution
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PeaceFrog wrote:I see what your saying and after searching google it must have been an assumption i thought i heard. I was told that it is known as LSD-25 because it was Hoffmans 25th synthesis of the chemical and was the strongest of them. I have had tabs that last 6 hours and tabs that as long as 18. Im interested in RC's but hate the fact that it can be put on blotter making it indistinguishable from the real thing.
On the other hand I had some tabs that supposedly came from Switzerland and they were absolutely amazing. I only regret that I drank a bit to take off the edge coming up. Alcohol completely kills the psychedelia of the trip. Had a great time but it was completely colorless. I guess I'm relishing it as some mystical pure original thing. Not that doses aern't strong enough, i just get this feeling that people had slightly different acid back in the 60's If you had 6 hours trips it was probably LSD, there aren't that many psychedelics that are active at <3mg (it would be nearly impossible to imbibe more on a blotter). Most blotters contain either LSD or DOx (and, yeah, strychnin of course ). To see the world in a grain of sand, and to see heaven in a wild flower, hold infinity in the palm of your hands, and eternity in an hour. - William Blake
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there are different quality levels. there's amber (70ish%), silver (80ish%), white (90ish%) and needlepoint (99%). the percent is purity. pure lsd exists within a vacuum only, from what i understand. thing is, unless you're an experienced acid user, you won't be able to tell the difference. hell...these days...most people are lucky to even find real lsd. along the lines of what justine said, i've heard most people getting sold some DOx as acid. it's cheaper and easier to get and most people are ignorant to real lucy so don't know any better. again, as justine said, 6 hour trip was more than likely lsd. you'll know RC's and other knock offs by taste, smell or effect. lsd won't have a taste (unless you taste the medium on which it was applied like the paper ink or sugar cube). it will usually really start to say hello around an hour after dosing. you will usually return to near baseline 6-8 hours after dosing, with an afterglow that can be felt until you sleep. and then...you'll usually feel like shit the next day. wore out. half brain dead. lethargic. for me, the morning after, i usually wake up feeling like i'm about to get a cold (but never do). embrace your nothingness...it's all you are...
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I feel like I can still have pretty clear visuals up to 10 hours after drop. I don't know why, but I always outlast all my friends by miles when we take the same dose of the same stuff. I'm guessing it has to do with my metabolism. I also like to extend the experience with copious amounts of cannabis and a touch of spice here and there. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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I was under the impression that rumors regarding "most" LSD being something else did not match tests on seized materials. PK Dick is to LSD as HP Lovecraft is to Mushrooms
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i had opportunity to buy a few sheets one time, but wasnt really dosing myself at the time so i spread it around. a friend got pulled over in tennessee (with massachusetts license plates and a montana license) and arrested for his friend's dirty pipe, anyway he had some of this shit in his pocket and after about a year and some court visits they threw out his case after supposedly analyzing the blotter in his pocket and finding it was not lsd which is what they charged him with having.
years later a different friend was talking about it said it was prolly not really lsd because of the extended duration and the way it made him really vigorous and hyper, guess he took about 6-8 tabs and ran for 20 miles or so in the hills and got done and still wanted more exercise
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There is good LSD, in the USA. It might not be 99% pure all of the time, but the purity is up in the 80-95% range most of the time, through some sources. The small amount of impurities don't usually cause any noticeable effects, if it's been cleaned up at all, and it only makes it slightly less potent. I have had from pure needlepoint to lavender LSD, and some does give gas or feels a little speedier, with slight bit more tension, but if you go with fluff or needlepoint, you can avoid that stuff. Back in the 60's the average dose of LSD in tablets was 250-300 mcg, but nowadays, it is lucky to be 80-100 mcgs. Even the family lay LSD at 100 mcg, because it causes less freak outs, and it's safer for more sensitive people to dose. So take 3 hits when you dose, and you'll be getting likely what a person was on with one hit back in the sixties. As for the type of LSD, LSD is LSD. There are no lysergic derivatives that are also called LSD. There are some, but they have different names and abbreviations. I have seen some lysergic derivatives being passed off from foreign sources, in the US. But most scammers use DOx chemicals to pass off as LSD since so many of todays youth haven't had the chance to see LSD, plus it's much cheaper. LSD is definitely not as widely distributed as it was before 2000. <line removed> MODERATOR wrote: I understand where this comes from but there is no talk allowed about where to get LSD. Talk like that can put the DMT-Nexus in danger since it will put us in the 'where to get scheduled substances corner', an unwanted situation.
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I do remember seeing the the test about adulterated blotter and other doses and all showed up clean. I never had a time i thought i was sold another substance in any form, I just had this view of how an acid trip should be and throughout all my trips it's nothing more than visual distortions of varying degrees with an altered state of mind. I have dosed around 50 times but that is a complete guess. Is it a matter of dose? I don't believe I was dosing lightly (it's been a couple months)
There was one time that things were different. The doses were way stronger than usual and we ate our third tab while the first were still coming on. I have never had a bad trip, not even this night. My buddy fell deep into a loop of memory loss. He was clearly experiencing ego loss (something I have failed to do on L) and was absolutely terrified. I brought him to my house for the night and convinced my dad that he dosed while i didn't. I found it funny that I was that clear headed while my buddy was asking me where he was even who he was every 2 seconds. I expected the spirituality i got out of spice. An epiphany of some sort. After he calmed down enough to where i could relax i saw something i'v never seen on L, non geometric patterns and movement. My carpet abandoned its usual ways of assembling cubes and such, and the fibers unfolded independently. They moved slow, tried to form a figure but instead stopped and look bent.
That is why i stopped, I wanted a higher experience out of it.
EDIT: Sorry I just read your last post, figured i would leave it as it would have helped me long ago
that is why I stopped. I will just wait until I have my own place and try a solo trip. My hippie friend had a personal stash dosed out to her liking (my friends would touch it after the first time it was too strong) i started dosing on those and had eaten 3 on a couple of occasions. I think i am going to wait until i can be comfortable by myself
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By the way 25x-NBOMe are starting to appear on the RC market, it might be sold as LSD since a dose is around 200-500 ug (comparable to the infamous Bromo-Dragonfly). To see the world in a grain of sand, and to see heaven in a wild flower, hold infinity in the palm of your hands, and eternity in an hour. - William Blake
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thanks gratefuldad. kinda been looking for that info (about what doses are like these days compared to decades ago). i've never been sold any DOx as lsd. i've been sold DOx as DOx though. like you said, the difference is very subtle (as far as purity). i had a grateful dead bears sheet not that long ago that was SUPER potent (must have laid it fat) but was very speedy, made me very gassy and of everyone i sold it to, i'm the only one who didn't get freaked out at least once by it. must have been slighty "dirty" but laid down thicker than most people are accustomed to. thanks for the lesson. love learning about lucy!!! embrace your nothingness...it's all you are...
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Most often, if my hands not only look bigger, but feel just as big, that's how I know I got good whatever was on the tab "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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PeaceFrog wrote:On the other hand I had some tabs that supposedly came from Switzerland and they were absolutely amazing. I only regret that I drank a bit to take off the edge coming up. Alcohol completely kills the psychedelia of the trip. For me personally, alcohol has never had a noticeable effect on me when riding Lucy's train. Never had a super amount to drink, but a buddy and I knocked down a bottle of Shiraz after a light meal two hours in and didn't even phase me; half a bottle of red usually gets me feeling pretty buzzed. PeaceFrog wrote:I expected the spirituality i got out of spice. An epiphany of some sort. Since you said you were waiting for the opportunity to dose solo, I'm going to guess that your Lucy experiences have been social to a certain extent. Most of the folks I know, myself included, get that more "spiritual" experience when it is either solo or with a close friend/significant other (if you've never dosed with your significant other, I highly recommend it. You may end up closer for the experience, just warning you.). After many of my own trips, tripping with others, and observing those tripping, I guess I can put it this way: spice kind of forces a spiritual experience on you if you breakthrough, as there is really no other way to handle that powerful of an experience; whereas LSD and other psychedelics taken at sub-breakthrough doses (for that matter, religion, yoga, meditation, dreaming, life, etc.) seem to "open the door" to a spiritual experience, you've got to learn the lessons yourself (which is why set (mindset) and setting are so important, IMHO). Take a moderate dose and do something that you thoroughly, almost spiritually, enjoy normally: enjoy nature, look at art, go for a walk, whatever works for you. Do it mindfully, revel in the awesome splendor that is creation. Since you are experienced with psychedelics and know how they generally affect you, don't be afraid to push the experience within your comfort zone: go swimming, take a long hike, paddle around in a canoe, go for a bike ride; getting the blood flowing always seems to help a trip (a friend and I kayaked around his small pond and smoked sub-breakthrough doses of spice, that was amazing!). Another option might be going to a public place where one can have a private experience, like a museum: public enough that no one cares if you stare a painting for 5 minutes as long as you're not in the way, quiet enough that there shouldn't be too many interruptions. I'm working on a trip report that involved a museum, should be up in a few days. But I digress. Some people have recommended that you use side-effects to determine if you've been getting the good stuff or not; speedy, gassy, duration, etc. Please also consider the effect that set and setting have on the substance and don't downplay/underestimate that effect; combined, those two can can have on overpowering effect on substance, good or bad. And like any good experimenter, remember that repeatability is crucial before passing judgement. For example, I've tried LSD from at least 3 different sources a total of a couple dozen occasions, and I'm pretty much guaranteed to get pretty bad gas cramps in the tummy starting about 2 hours in that last for several hours, regardless of: where the LSD came from, how much/what was in my stomach at dosing, eating during the trip, etc. At this point, I've just come to accept the fact that my tract can handle anything I throw at it except for LSD, that is, until I started enjoying that blotter inter-rectally. No gas, very cool onset, overall seems to be more powerful. If you've never tried it that route, I recommend it! I apologize for the long post, there haven't been to many posts about Lucy that I've seen and I just love talking about her, she's a helluva gal. Take everything I said with a handful of salt, I'm pretty sure I have no idea what I'm talking about. Sounds like you've got some pretty good ideas on where to trip from here, I wish you the best of luck!
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Does anyone know what it is about the acid that causes the gassy reaction? It can easily be the biggest distraction and downer in the experience sometimes. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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I think the gas is from less pure crystals. That has been my experience.
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Don't worry Laconti your post was very informative and yes they for the most part were in a social setting. Very good mushrooms once got me to the point where i could feel almost see the veil. If i didn't have to care for a buddy having a bad time i could have possibly pushed myself further. Thanks guys I've decided to wait until the time is right to re-discover Lucy's beauty. I thought I was the only one who got crazy gas while tripping im not alone
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GratefulDad wrote:I think the gas is from less pure crystals. That has been my experience. But what is it about the impurity that causes the gas? In other words I was more curious as to what mechanism of whatever chemical is there is it that augments gas production. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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PeaceFrog wrote:Very good mushrooms once got me to the point where i could feel almost see the veil. My strongest, most powerful experience ever was on mushrooms, it was 3 months ago and I'm still processing it. I'll just say that when you "cross the veil" you'll know it, especially if experience goes South. Good to see another Chicagoan on the board! Stay warm! gobalswg wrote:Does anyone know what it is about the acid that causes the gassy reaction? It can easily be the biggest distraction and downer in the experience sometimes. Maybe a histamine response to one of the metabolites? Good stretching will help ease it, you'll know if you're stretching properly if you can feel the bubbles moving around inside of you (sounds gross, but it's actually pretty entertaining mid-trip). I could together a list of good stretches and their descriptions if there's interest; like you said, it can be a real downer, and it appears to be a pretty common issue! And while I cannot say it is a for-sure fix, but the last 2 times I've dosed, those tiny squares of paper have gone right up my bum with fantastic results, namely, no gas!
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