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Love heals  “The most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.” -Nikolai Lenin
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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Anyone found a link to a source on this? The article doesn't cite a press release or anything 
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Touche Guevara wrote:Anyone found a link to a source on this? The article doesn't cite a press release or anything MAPS is currently working on numerous MDMA therapy studies. Check it out here: http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/Where I live they have already held the first training session for Doctors to be trained in giving MDMA therapy. The military is backing it. The FDA is backing it. It shouldn't be long before clinical MDMA is legal for people with conditions like PTSD.
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Good news. There was a rumor (study?) regarding the neurotoxicity of MDMA. What happened to it? You have to be in Hell to see Heaven - W. BurroughsUbu is a surreal personage. Everything he does is pure fiction. Everything he says is pure nonsense.
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This is kind of old, MAPS has been "playing around" with this for a moment. ubu wrote:Good news. There was a rumor (study?) regarding the neurotoxicity of MDMA. What happened to it? Are you referring to the old government-funded studies in which the scientist fudged the results of the first one and then used methamphetamine instead of mdma in the second one to claim that mdma causes Parkinson's? Wiki • Attitude • FAQThe Nexian • Nexus Research • The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. גם זה יעבור
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SnozzleBerry wrote:Are you referring to the old government-funded studies in which the scientist fudged the results of the first one and then used methamphetamine instead of mdma in the second one to claim that mdma causes Parkinson's? What a pathetic! And they often succeed in fooling the society with this kind of "scientific" study. Fortunately some lies has short legs. You have to be in Hell to see Heaven - W. BurroughsUbu is a surreal personage. Everything he does is pure fiction. Everything he says is pure nonsense.
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Neurotoxicity of MDMA was never proven?? Doesnt MDMA destroy certain parts of certain neurons? From what i have understood it remains unclear what effects this type of destruction has on the human brain functions. Which is imo reason enough to do more research. After all it is in the interest of public health to know more of the riscs associated with drugs. I dont think the guys that sign up for the treatment think they have much to loose (in terms of 'quality of life'.) Win-win. “The most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.” -Nikolai Lenin
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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Virola78 wrote:Neurotoxicity of MDMA was never proven?? Doesnt MDMA destroy certain parts of certain neurons?
From what i have understood it remains unclear what effects this type of destruction has on the human brain functions. Which is imo reason enough to do more research. After all it is in the interest of public health to know more of the riscs associated with drugs. I dont think the guys that sign up for the treatment think they have much to loose (in terms of 'quality of life'.) Win-win.
I know there was a study that showed mdma caused dendrites to either rescind or get shorn off or something, I can't remember which one, Mckenna referenced it in at least one of his talks. According to wikipedia and the papers referenced in the article, there is not conclusive proof that mdma, when taken infrequently and at reasonable doses, is irreversibly neurotoxic. wikipedia wrote:Some studies show that MDMA may be neurotoxic in humans.[107][108] Other studies, however, suggest that any potential brain damage may be at least partially reversible following prolonged abstinence from MDMA.[106][109] However, other studies suggest that SERT-depletion arises from long-term MDMA use due to receptor down-regulation, rather than true neurotoxicity.[110] Depression and deficits in memory have been shown to occur more frequently in long-term MDMA users.[111][112] However, some recent studies have suggested that MDMA use may not be associated with chronic depression.[113][114]
Several studies have indicated a possible mechanism for neurotoxicity in a metabolite of MDMA, through the reaction of Alpha-Methyldopamine, a principle metabolite, and Glutathione, the major antioxidant in the human body. One possible product of this reaction, 2,5-bis-(glutathion-S-yl)-alpha-methyldopamine, has been demonstrated to produce the same toxic effects observed in MDMA, while MDMA, and alpha-methyldopamine themselves have been shown to be non-neurotoxic. It is however, impossible to avoid the metabolism of MDMA in the body, and the production of this toxic metabolite.[123][124][125] Some studies have demonstrated possible ways to minimize the production of this particular metabolite, though evidence at this point is sparse at best. The government study I referenced earlier was done by Riccaurte and some others and there's an outstanding paper done in response by Rick Doblin and several other people related to MAPS; you can find it on their website and it's great reading. Wiki • Attitude • FAQThe Nexian • Nexus Research • The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. גם זה יעבור
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I don't know why they aren't using mescaline instead of, or in addittion to mdma. They know the effect is similar and without the potential negative physical effects. I suspect allowing mescaline for soldiers would be quite insulting to native Americans who have tried to claim religious right, and been thrown in jail. I suspect those people probably have some ptsd.
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This is quite interesting.... Ann shulgin is proud I bet. shoe
ॐ भूर्भुव: स्व: तत्सवितुर्वरेण्यं । भर्गो देवस्य धीमहि, धीयो यो न: प्रचोदयात्
Love, Gratittude, Compassion, Fearlessness!
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@ SnozzleBerry Yea man, that is the research i was refering to. Thx... Funny how in these days of abundant information on any subject i find myself getting used to knowing 'where' to find certain inforamtion.. instead of remembering all the actual information in details. Im i lazy or efficient? i hope both ; ) “The most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.” -Nikolai Lenin
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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