so i took 14 mgs. of 2c-t-2 to start with, thinking i'd get to a plus 2 at most.

why do i always assume things like this?!?!

i need to stop listening to other people's dosage advice and just start LOW!!!
i'm obviously in another league of sensitivity than 99% of the population.
there were typical phenethylamine come-up effects til about the 45 minute point, at which it started to depart from it's brothers characteristics. for the next hour i was plunged into the worst drug experience i've ever felt before.
it was like everything that 2c-e is for me but to the 10th degree. (2c-E for me = UBER body load)
now don't get me wrong, the dose was relatively low so i got away with it, but if the dose were as intense as say, my 10 mgs 2c-e, i woulda been straight up DOOMED. (i know you guys are like, "10 mgs of 2c-E? that's it?!?!)
hyper muscle clenching and full-on death-from-poison sensations coursing through my blood.
at it's worse point i started to manifest a state of consciousness which is ascribed to t-2 and t-7 and never the others if you haven't read what others have said: confusion and delerium.
now i've NEVER felt anything resembling delerium from any phenethylamine.
i conveniently forgot about that state once i gave up taking mushrooms a few years back!!
but seriously i started to get it full on. i was able to stay calm about it but while i felt like certain death was blanketing me i started to wonder, "what the helllll is going on......" my girlfriend would say, "do you want me to call D.??" (my trip buddy who has saved me from many-a acid trips)
i would hear her question and not respond for like 15 seconds. "noooo...nooooo. i think i'm okay. i think i'll live. it's not the mental effects that i need help with, it's the body." but wrapped around all these words was a confused air of "i don't understand."
then the visuals came on full-bore.
it reminded me more of 2c-e than anything other drug.
there is something about the intensity and complete "full-on-ness" of 2c-e visuals that only this T-2 dose has come close to. (besides horrendous doses of other drugs of course).
usually with other drugs, even 2c-b, it take a minute for the visuals to "get going". like you turn your head and you look at something and.....(wait for a half-second).....THERE is the bending and warping.
this was like everywhere i looked the whole visual field would INSTANTLY morph into some spherical mandala of sorts of the most absurdly bright rainbow colors.
this visual effect coupled with a kind of "hit-over-the-head-with-a-bat" delerium was causing me to quite literally feel like i'd entered some other dimension.
it was definitely NOTHING like a mescaline trip, as some have likened it to.
now at this point i was ready to be here for the next 4 hours and was okay with it.
i was just accepting what was happening realizing that, indeed, i'd rather experience too gnarly of a body load than a black-out dose of ayahuasca or something where my mental state was being eaten alive by aliens. so i was making the best of it.
but then suddenly at about the hour and 45 minute point ALL the uncomfortable effects vanished completely.
all the confusion, all the bodily pain, and the over-heating, completely vanished.
this happens to me to some degree with all psychedelics but the other ones have never been THAT crazy and miserable in the beginning.
it's like there's some great clearing of all trauma and the RAPTURE ensues.
HOLY EFF, the plus 3 T-2 rapture is one blissful mofo.
as far as i can remember i've never experienced something so close to Samadhi (consciously blissful one-ness with the Source)
on any other medicine.
T-2 has a definite positive push. it's very much similar to if MDMA were as intense as smoked DMT.
that's what it reminded me of and that's always the impression i've had of what True Samadhi must be like.
MDMA-love streched to DMT-like proportions.
all there was as far as the mind could behold was ABSOLUTE PERFECTION.
perfect bliss. perfect rapture. intellectual insight was not necessary.
my girlfriend just sat quietly as i mumbled various details about the power and importance of knowing and expressing God in Her highest form...absolute love and bliss.
i must have been in that space for 2 hours before coming back to probably the worst headache i've ever had in my life.
by the time i went to bed later my head felt like it was bleeding, it hurt so bad.
i woke up the next day feeling a seretonin/emotion crash coupled with a body ache that felt like i dosed 2 full hits of MDA and drank 8 beers.
sore neck, sore brain, sore arm and legs. SORE!
cannabis helped with the hangover as she always does. i feel great now, of course. i'm back on track. (2 days later)
will i ever take T-2 again?? HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLL NO!!
if it felt as benign as 2c-b would i take it again??? YES, every weekend.
the positive push of the mental effects was very MDMA-like.
but ya know, aco-DIPT reminds me of MDMA too and there ain't NO negative body load on that molecule (at the 16-18 mg range for me) so i have to fold my cards when it comes to T-2.
i certainly don't regret taking it though.
but if anyone wants to kill a small animal i have a tiny baggie of JUST what they need!!
and hey, at least i got to see the Absolute for a fleeting hour or two.
other drugs will kill you proper without even approaching such a possibility.
viva la psychs!

crazy experience..glad you made through it. To me though, that sounds like your T-2 wasn't synthesized properly, since these are not the normal effects of it. sounds like contamination of chemical impurities esp since you took a low dose

That's crazy! I barely felt a damn thing on that dose. and neither did 2 friends. there definitely must be a difference in the quality of our t-2.

you could very well be right. interesting though how a lot of people claim independently that is had one of the worst body load ever. maybe we're all getting it from similar tainted sources or maybe this molecule just has to like you to be friendly!!!

yes there is reported body load, but your description of body load is much different than what is reported, esp at a 10mg dose.
i just read this page from Shulgin's pihkal: 2C-T-2, and it says that there are 3 different types of 2C-T-2's with variation in their molecular structure; and each has a different melting point. It would be an interesting experiment to determine the melting point of your product, and see which one it resembles closest to. If your melting point is off by a large number from all 3 types of the T-2's mentioned, then you can be certain that it was chemically contaminated.
idk how you would go about determining the melting point of it tho without the proper apparatus, but i remember that Ouro mentioned in chat how it can be created using wires and comparing the values of electrical resistance with heat..but i forgot now

You can evaluate the bp by measuring the temp of a thick metal block (copper would be nice) sitting over a heat source and throwing a few mg of the substance on the block.
That's how a nexian confirmed the bp of mescaline a few weeks ago.

i don't want to dismiss the idea of contamination....i'm not arguing against it, really.
but i do have a couple friends who have tried the same batch and, while i'd have to double check with them to verify for sure, i believe they experienced nothing like what i experienced from it in terms of intensity, so it's not that everyone is experiencing this from this batch.
also, the company we got it from actually posts a third-party lab analysis of their products on their website and it clearly shows that it is well over 99% pure. if they are being tricky then they're sure doing a good job!!
i truly believe it to be a matter of personal sensitivity more than a purity issue.
also, my friends have not taken enough of it to produce a plus 3 intensity (even at mid-20's levels) so you have to adjust for dosage to judge the same body effects. i'm sure that if they compensated by taking perhaps 35-40 mgs. they would experience a similar (perhaps not identical) body jarring.
look at any higher dose T-2 experience and you'll usually find a complaint or 10 about the negative body load.
it doesn't really matter what my dosage was, what matters is i got to a full plus 3 intensity from it.
you have to match that with other people's plus 3 experiences, not with their dosages.
what really matters is how strong it's working not how strong the numbers on the scale are.
i do think, also, that the body load is similar to what other sensitive nervous systems have reported.
confusion is a trait that a lot of people experience from snorted doses. (which is to say from higher doses.)
upon reading erowid's experience reports before diving into T-2, i already saw more than a few "confusion" results just from looking for a few minutes. headache is also a relatively common come-down effect.
as far as muscle tension, hot/cold flashes, not being able to get comfortable no matter what position you sit in....all of these are common side effects from various RC's, especially during the come-up, and it's intensity was not to such a degree that it seemed out of the realm of possibility for a stimulant to produce in a sensitive body.
the dose was not 10 mgs. either, it was 14 or 15.
going by the erowid dosage chart, and my experience, T-2 is more potent than 2c-b by weight.
for me 18 mgs. of 2cb is a roaring plus 3 so 14 mgs. of T-2 is not unusually potent to be producing such strong effects in me.
14 mgs. T-2 felt equivilent to what 20-22 mgs. 2c-b would be like for me.
just because others don't report strong effects from low doses of T-2 doesn't make my product necessarily altered.
it seemed within the realm of normal effects for T-2 to me, it just seemed like it was a giant leap more toxic than the others i've tried.
thanks for everybody's input!!! i appreciate y'all getting my gears turning!!

It's quite disheartening to read that 2C-T-7 was a rough ride for you, physically, but I do wonder if that is because of your spiritual condition rather than the chemical itself. Perhaps it's the tryptamines way of showing you that you need to treat your body better, load up on fresh salad with some chicken through it, run for detox, quit smoking, drink plenty of water, all of these things will help. The most discomfort you should ever experience from 'the good ones' are physical arousal, perhaps some jaw clenching and muscle ache from the stimulation, never 'poisoned' ...

I say this because Shulgin's magical half dozen are generally regarded as pure, really useful, potent, magically precipitating the divine.

Also, Thanks for the info, as you said, It should be atleast somewhere simmelar to a mescaline trip, if you had a look at the structures!

i will quote from an online study done on 2c-T-2 users:
"When asked why they would choose not to take 2C-T-2 again, 6 people referred to the side effects"
quotes about side effects:
"13.89% found them short and severe."
"11.11% found them long and distracting."
"muscle tension was the second most common side effect...33.33% of oral users experienced it..."
"Tachycardia was reported by 19.44% of oral users."
"hypertension was reported by 2.78% of oral users."
"9.30% reported headaches...several people commented that the headache seemed to come most often near the end of the experience..."
"all oral users reported other side effects...tingling pins-and-needles sensation in the extremities...one person reported confusion."
"19.44% reported a mild hangover, and 2.78% reported a bad hangover."
"one person reported feeling emotionally imbalanced, similar to that experienced after MDMA but shorter in duration."
"most commonly reported were various body temperature related effects"

nothing i experienced was out of the ordinary or unheard of.
the word i used, "poisoned," is just a descriptive word for feeling super crappy. i don't claim actual death was occurring.
read every report about all the 2c's on erowid and bluelight and take note of how many people experience more negative side effects than just "jaw clenching, muscle ache, and arousal...", even at reasonable doses.
just because they are generally accepted hardly means that they are universally benign.
as for the structures being similar between 2cT-2 (which is a phenethylamine, not a tryptamine) and mescaline...that says little about their psychological or spiritual similarities. it was similar to mescaline in the sense that it was a phenethylamine but that's about it.
they are intensely different molecules in their actual expression of psychedelic effects and they speak with very different voices.
rock on wit yo bad self!

i've experienced both ends of the spectrum with 2c-t-2 - very clean mystical trips, & abrasively synthetic, toxic ones.

the 2nd time i took it, @ ~23 mgs, my reaction was very similar to yours, dragon-n - an unambiguous sensation of poisoning, i was lambasted by my liver & castigated by my kidneys... bizarre & cruel headaches... pervasive "clenching" as noted in the pikhal entry...
& the headspace was disgustingly artificial and hollow too.

of course i decided that would be my last experience with T2. it just wasn't worth the risk to my health.
& yet...
i had more...
& the first time seemed promising...
so why not try again?

to make a long story short, as my body became more familiar with T2 through repeat exposures, its capacity to process and metabolize said molecule increased, and the body load correspondingly decreased, & at times was nonexistent.
supplementing with 'milk thistle' silybum marianum, a detoxifying & liver supporting herb, also seemed to confer adaptive benefits & reduction in physical unease.
needless to say, a little cannabis goes a long way too!

i find T2 to have a profound neutrality closely akin to its unsulphured analog 2C-E, but in a way more quiet and soft than mistress Ethyl, who tends to flaunt her rigorous & clinical dispassion.
at times it is reminiscent of a 2C-* + hash/oral cannabis... a certain fuzzy warping delirium... tho i am perpetually cannabinoided so perhaps that should be taken into account

it is also curiously devoid of momentum; it opens a space but does not necessarily prod or push in any particular direction. while on T2 i often have a slightly spooky sense of it opening a door to a room in my head, a strange forgotten room in the attic, or at the end of a long dark twisting hallway, with odd green light emanating through the cracks in the door...

like most phenethylamines, the best results occur with 2c-t-2 when taken outside, in fresh air, in a context with sufficiently pleasant & interesting external stimuli. a dark bedroom just doesn't work like it can for tryptamines.

one of my most memorable T2 experiences transpired as i sat on the back porch of my house in the city on a clean & cool spring night. aspects of city life acquired peculiar theatrical & archetypal qualities... the dramatic silhouettes moving urgently in the lit windows of old brick buildings, the alleycats & yellow streetlight haze, the play of shadows & wind... all provided a fresh & unexpected aesthetic perspective on this city, which i otherwise typically consider a bleak & depressing wasteland.
as i was soaking everything in, i watched from the shadows as a man stepped under the glow of a streetlight and began to polish a large silver hubcap in a steady, rhythmic circular motion. i continued to watch with an increasing sense of surrealism as i became aware of the contemplative, meditative grace with which this man was shining an increasingly luminescent gleaming silver wheel... directly facing me... under a streelight in the middle of the night...

it suddenly occurred to me that i was receiving an 'in-the-flesh', physical, real-time vision of a mandala, an archetypal 'symbol' of wholeness...
its impact was profound, to experience a coherent visual download of mystical resonance not behind my closed eyelids but right in front of me, observable to any other who might wander into the scene.

articulating that experience also brought to mind certain theatrical aspects of 2C-E, such as when it transformed a forest into a lavishly set stage of a baroque opera-house, with swooping songbirds warbling lofty arias...

ah but i digress
tho with such absorbing subjects
it's easy to do

I cant say i've used t2, but t7 a few times yes. I experienced an uncomfortable pressure in the center of my chest that was rather concerning. 2ce i feel is a rather powerful psychedelic in terms of its raw psychedelic nature. Consider the dose response curve, know your source and know your dose. Be careful with these substances if your going to use them.
I personally will not be using 2ct7/2ct2/2ce again as they didn't ever feel particularly nice for my body.

In fact i know this might be controversial but id rather not see RC's discussed on this site. I know some folk are gonna have a problem with that but let me explain.

I don't think RC's are any less 'natural' then plant based substances. Nature is everything, including the work of man. I just feel that some RC's have inerrant risks that DMT/ayahuasca/cacti do not. I feel like this site is geared towards botanical's and extractions and should stay that way. RC's are like a juicy steak for the media especially with the recent JWH / mephedrone / benzofury controversy.

The reason i say this is because i have noticed an increase towards the mention of RC's on Nexus.
Don't get me wrong, if folk want to use and discuss RC's that is fine. I think the internet has plenty of sites that focus more heavily on such subject matters.

blue lunar light, i enjoy your writing very much. very poetic.
i was laughing at your term "rigorous & clinical dispassion," that pretty much sums up 2c-e perfectly in my opinion.
there are times, on 2cE, where i'm like, "WOW what a grand, astronomically powerful realization" and i still can't muster even the slightest smile or amused expression from it. everything just "is" and nothing else.

I bet the hypertension % would be higher if people had blood pressure cuffs at home. Those cheap wrist cuff things are horribly inaccurate and can't even get my BP, ever. One reading will be like 150/50 then the next it can't even find it. Mine is normally 90/60 btw.

Back to the topic though, thiolated phens scare me due to their wide range of effects even in the same person at the same dosage

Hey bummer about the horrible lift off Dragon.

Were you the only one to try this batch, or were there others who triied it? What were their experiences?

What you describe sounds like there was more than just 2ct2 in what you had. Unfortuantely not all RC suppliers are created equal. Your batch may have been cross contaminated with some other RC that were being packaged by the same supplier or their manufacturer. Although Sister would be more suspicious of the distributor than the producer. Many RC suppliers are kitchen operations, with all that implies.

There is a nightmarish story about a Japanese fellow who thought he was snorting methylone, only to end up in ER. It turned out upon analysis that his methylone was cut with 5-MeO-DMT 25%/75%. Can you imagine! He could have easily died from an overdose like that.

Glad to hear the adulterant was short lived and that your trip improved

two other friends tried the same batch and reported (from my understanding) mild to moderate effects from the low-teen to mid-20's mg mark.
that sounds fairly consistent with other people's reactions.
which molecules are "thiolated phens"???
i'm unfamiliar with the term "thiolated."

The 'thio-' prefix is for sulphur. The substitution at the 4th position in any of the 2C-Tx* is a sulphur coupled to, generally, an alkyl group (a saturated chain of C and H)