Ok so i have been an experienced psych user for going on 5 years now, and have never put much thought into the visions of ancient egyptian and modern freemason symbolism i experienced from certain tryptamines until the other night, when i was lucky enough to have my first *real* ketamine adventure. I ventured into a realm that seemed to be entirely fixated on the all-seeing eye that effaces our dollar bill. I also had the strange feeling that i was not alone in this place, nor was i supposed to be there, as if i had discovered a realm forbidden to us mere sheep. It is almost as if i stumbled upon a very dark and evil secret on the true nature of this reality, yet couldn't quite bring it fully back with me. I felt as though this place was able to be accessed and even used as some sort of wondrous power by those skilled enough in sorcery or shamanism. I am an avid conspiracy theorist so i am sure this has some factor to my visions, yet i can't help but wonder why this has been experienced on different hallucinogens, but most notably ketamine.

So my question for this community is: Have you yourself also experienced this realm? And if so, what do you make of it? If you haven't, then what do you feel this recurring hallucination represents? If you have, did you perhaps reach a more concise conclusion on the hierarchy of humanity's real nature?

The 'sacred space' is the mind in my opinion, camdemonium. When I use entheogens and hallucinogens, I like to think I'm diving into my subconscious at a very deep level, perhaps even slipping into the collective unconscious that we are all a part of. As such, any interesting symbolism relates to your own psyche which helps you relate to the world around you easier by; increased empathy, increased self-awareness, and increased gratitude.

The idea of an ancient sacred space is often a theme of tryptamine experiences for many, and there are some corelations with the teachings of various mystery schools and other traditions. It's interesting that you bring up Freemasonry as it is one of the oldest and certainly one of the most influential institutions in Western culture.

Many of us are exposed to ancient symbolism that we don't really understand, and because we don't understand it, it can make us a bit worried. Although not a mason myself, I have been surrounded by free and accepted masons (and their ilk) from birth, and on the whole I find them to be good and upright gentlemen (and a few ladies).

If you are really interested in developing your understanding of the inner light then may I suggest you read some of the 'corpus hermeticum' which appears to be the basis for most Western (Judeo-Christian/Alchemical) mysticism.

As far as conspiracy theories go, I'm afraid Trav has banned them from the site, and personally I find many of them to be one-sided or closed-minded attacks on things most people don't understand. They serve to make people fearful, and angry, which is no good at all.

As for ketamine...he he he...I find breakthrough really really easy with ketamine, and have had similar experiences to yours. I find astral projection easier on ketamine, and I use it as rarely as possible (once every couple of months).

In closing let me leave you with a riddle to think about...

The tools you require to unearth truth, wisdom, and divine-light reside between the temples

Many who try the syrian rue/mushroom combination report visions of ancient tribal native american style symbols and imagery. It's interesting to think that the reason why their crafts look the way they do could be a result of modeling their culture after the visions that they might have experienced on psychedelics. After all, many native american tribes, particularly out west and in Mexico used mushrooms long before the white man.

@sunshineandsmiles: I understand your place of the white light, the inner glow, and this was definitely not that! I have been to that area of my mind many times sober just through meditation, let alone hallucinogens. The place i experienced was very distinct though, it was most certainly not an inner world but seemed to be an alternate reality in itself. I'm not one to fear this place or "the man" or "evil" because i believe as i'm sure you do too that pure love conquers all our petty human problems, and sorry if i put forth the conspiracy theory subject, i was definitely not trying to start a discussion on that haha. Freemasonry is a term i use to refer to the broader realm of secret societies and i felt this place was very much a realm of ancient mysticism more than freemasonry per se. Either way thanks for your feedback and good travels!

@gobalswg: I love those native american cultures man! Being an 1/8 creek indian myself i feel that has alot to do with my focus on spirituality and altered states in my life. Let me say that these visions were distincively non-native american, especially compared to those on cacti and those fabulous 2-c's )!!!! i am also familiar with the yaqui shamanism through carlos castaneda as i'm sure many of us on the nexus are, which brings up another question:
How do you feel about the works of carlos castaneda?

Fair play cam. Can you describe the place you went in any more detail?

The place was entirely focused on the all-seeing eye, and i could not discern much else of its structure besides this fact. I felt distinctly as if i was being watched by other beings, yet i could not tell what kind. I also felt that i was a trespasser in this realm, yet did not necessarily feel threatened, just that i had stumbled somewhere i didn't belong. I felt that this place contained a great deal of power, and maybe it was being harnessed by the other beings there, yet it also seemed a place very ancient, and probably beyond our linear sense of time. It was hard for me to bring alot of details back from this place as i have been able to do on other substances, but i feel this is because it was my first true K breakthrough. I definitely plan on visiting alternate realms through K again very soon, so i will let you know if i encounter this space again and what i find.

I remember a while back I read "La Yaqui Hermosa" in great detail. I can't remember much about it other than it had some great themes and was quite moving.

Both tryptamines and phens have shown me some heavy Egyptian imagery with a futuristic look. It's not a specific interest of mine. I've gotten Aztec temples/spaceships though less frequently.

My understanding of these cultures is limited and there is a lot we'll just never know because of limited evidence/information. Maybe the common thread between these and conspiracies is the mystique they command in us.

Enjoying the tales of K

That's our head.

I really like the sound of the place that you refer to. If I visit it, I most certainly WILL find out "what's going on". If that means something bad for me, it can't be worse than what I'm going through now, and it only means I have the power, since "they" need to hide something from me to survive. Whatever "the watchers" are could be extended to any number of possibilities. It could be that the space of surreal consciousness is the fountainhead of your OWN consciousness, yet plagued by the sense of "being watched" so it looks like it is watching YOU when you get this close, because "you" are partly "them", in that you construct some nominal amount of "other minds" theory to deal with the reality of, or the need for an illusion of, other minds.

Yet, if there is something that could happen, I say it would be better to storm the gates and find out what it is rather than slink away to be deceived another day. You were IN the temple, whatever place that was, I say be BOLD and EXPLORE IT MAN. Let your balls swing a bit and look around behind that Eye, or in the shadows over there in the corner. You might not find out anything, or you might find out everything there is to know about that place and a huge part of yourself.

People talk about knowing themselves like they talk about remembering to do their own laundry. It's funny, because I don't think the former is anything like the latter in terms of what it imports and what it takes to do so in terms of fortitude and resolve and just plain guts, yet people talk about it as if its a mere matter of not procrastinating or just rousing themselves to do it like a chore they missed because they were a little lazy or naughty. This is a big deal, knowing yourself, and if you don't know where you were walking around, then you don't know yourself, because you were subject to forces you didn't understand and they seemed (seemed) to know what you were about, which might itself just been an illusion of not yet being fully integrated as a mind. I bet the great power you felt was the potentiality to put a huge piece of the puzzle of self into place. Don't miss the chance next time you are in there or a similar place. Don't "over-reify" the other places, because there is nothing overly-ordinary or under-awesome about it simply being a part of you, and nothing less challenging about it.

Indeed, whatver sort of beings we are, we seem to be more clever than ourselves, and we seem to have to turn the tables on ourselves and be more clever in the other direction, then we can get somewhere. We can break on through to the "other side" of our selves, becoming more whole...

@Hyperontosis: I can't wait to explore that realm again man! Hopefully you can find your way there too, i feel like you would be able to exploit it's secrets easier than i could. K is strange in that it takes you so far out of your body, only to bring you that much closer to your soul!

I've had a VERY similar trip once a year ago,
it was my first time trying acid and me and 3 of my friends had 2g of ket for the comedown, at the height of the trip we decided to have a line each (insufflated);
I have had lots of experience with ketamine in the past (let me tell you), so eyeballed a .4g line each and off we went into the unknown.

Basically my trip revolved around this dark (neither good nor evil) but purely machine like and emotionally indifferent place, and there was a strong sense of egypt to everything around. Dark because it is not illuminated by the light of our divine awareness. I saw heiroglyphs streaming down the walls like water, and the all seeing eye was gazing at me wherever I looked.

The eye looked right through me (with somniferrous almond eyes! ) while huge gears revolved, showing me the history of man from egypt through the greeks/romans/dark ages right up to the white mans exlorations of the 'new world' (racism/slavery/arrogance/greed etc that fuelled the expansion of the british empire) and then into todays society, people zombifying in front of the TV and falling prey to the media; and the aftermath of the whiteman's (or should I say child's) reckless naivety, somalia, south africa, mexico and so on. All the while there was an incredibly strong taste of petrol (gasoline) in my mouth, think this is because of the coal and oil mining that fuelled the industrial revolution.
Anyway, the night carried on like for a length of time that I was too fried to remember.

A few days after I asked my mother about this place (she is a psychic medium who has also done her fair share of trips by the way) and she said there's nothing wrong with going there, just don't stay too long or go back too often, or you'll get the 'white mans' disease (racism/slavery, greed, arrogance etc). The darkness isn't meant to be penetrated by us, she likened it to fiddling with a car's engine or the insides of a computer.. if you don't know what your doing, you may get chewed up in the gears.
I've been back to that place a couple of times, mostly when I'm feeling low/depressed.

I don't know if any of this will help but basically I just think of it all as the part of the mental universe that cannot be fully understood, only known about and acknowledged as existing. Either that or I'm free getting psychedelic history lessons.



Hyperontosis, if we've got the same place, like I said, don't get too wrapped up in this place or you may regret it. But I do like the idea of going in all guns blazing hehehehe.

@redeadnixon: Thanks so much for the input this is exactly the kind of information i was looking for man. It sounds like you remember much more distinctly the imagery of this realm of our minds, as it was most certainly a dark place which i felt had an ominous secret about the true purpose of humanity (annunaki anyone?). Perhaps too many minds are influenced by this realm, fueling the greed and corruption rampant in our world today. I could see how going back there would be unpleasant, yet this realm was so distinct from anything i've encountered on spice, synthetics, organics whatever, that i can't help but want to explore it more, if not to know that it truly is evil and should be avoided if at all possible. I definitely feel that this eye has a lot to do with humanity, it's on our dollar bill for pete's sake!

As sunshine and smiles said, you're seeing your mind manifested, or the darker parts atleast,
You may have heard the song forty-six and two by Tool,
basically you've got to go into the darker realms and confront that part of yourself which you would consider negative and embrace it.
Don't get caught up chasing your tail with what dwells there though, or you'll get caught up in the darkness like I said earlier.

Peace man.

Its not one or two particular sets of symbols that bombard me in my ventures to the other realms. It seems to be a different set each time. Okay that is slightly misworded in ineffable ways so I will say it another way. Depending on what I take, where I am, and where my mind is in the days or weeks prior, the spirits choose appropriate symbols to show me the reason I am there. For instance, one shroom venture I had followed several days with my head in the clouds, and effectively up my ass. During the trip, my girlfriend started having some anxiety. The visuls had been like american indian-esqu.(Pictographs and disjunct mandalas of simple shapes dancing around centers i couldnt make out all in earthy greens, reds, browns, and oranges) When the feelings of anxiety started hitting her I felt them exquisitly. The mandala covered ceiling started breathing, telling me that she needed grounding in breath. I began guiding her breath with my own and she soon calmed. It was a beautiful thing.

The lesson for me in all of that was that the air is only good for grounding in the the spiritual, and that even though I was grounded in that sense I needed earthly grounding to take care of those I care about. I am convinced that had my head been on my worldly affairs in the preceding days that she wouldnt have taken the brunt of the psylistorm.

Peaceful Wanderings and Wonderings
Fr. SOL

I have seen the masonic square and compass many times, eyes of various kinds but not the 'all seing eye' and tutankhamun's casket. But I attribute these to my experiences in the waking life.

In mine and other peoples' experiences, Ketamine often reflects your own beliefs. For example, a Christian who k-holes will often see God, and Heaven. An atheist who k-holes might see the universe beginning from the big bang, etc.

I always loved the "alternate reality" I was taken to on Ketamine, however it was vastly different from yours. I think visually the closest thing I could describe it to is space - but that is a rather lacking description as it was everything and nothing at once. All was one, one was all, nothing was everything, everything was nothing. A few weeks later I stumbled upon Hermeticism and read about "The ALL" - and it matched what I saw/experienced so well that I've been very interested in it lately.

Unfortunately since moving to Poland I haven't had access to Ketamine to continue my experiments