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Dee Em Tea
#1 Posted : 2/27/2008 2:07:09 PM
Arundo donax

Entire Plant contains 5-MeO-DMT (Shulgin, TIHKAL)

Flowers contain DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, and 5-MeO-NMT (Shulgin, TIHKAL)

Roots contain DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, 5-MeO-NMT, Bufotenine, bufotenidine, dehydrobufotenidine (Shulgin, TIHKAL)

Desmanthus Illinoensis

Root contains DMT - 0.200% (Ott)

Root Bark contains DMT - 0.340% (Ott)


Phalaris arundinacea

Leaves of contain DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, and related compounds (Smith 1977)

Phalaris aquatica

syn.

Phalaris tuberosa


Leaves and seedlings contain DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, and related compounds (Smith 1977)

DMT - 0.100% (erowid)

5-MeO-DMT - 0.022% (erowid)

5-OH-DMT - 0.005% (erowid)


Phragmites australis

DMT in roots (Ott)

Delosperma acuminatum

DMT, 5-MEO-DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma cooperi

DMT, 5-MEO-DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma ecklonis

DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma esterhuyseniae

DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma hallii 5-MEO-DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma harazianum DMT, 5-MEO-DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma harazianum
Shibam
DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma hirtum DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma lydenbergense

DMT, 5-MEO-DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma nubigenum 5-MEO-DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma pageanum DMT, 5-MEO-DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma pergamentaceum Traces of DMT (Trout's Notes)

Delosperma tradescantioides

DMT (Trout's Notes)

Petalostylis cassioides

0.4-0.5% tryptamine, DMT, etc. in leaves and stems (Johns et al 1966)

Acacia acuminata Up to 1.5% alkaloids, mainly consisting of tryptamine in leaf (Lycaeum)

Acacia alpina Active principles in leaf (M.Bock)

Acacia angustifolia Psychoactive Tryptamines (Rätsch 2004)

Acacia angustissima

β-methyl-phenethylamine (Glasby 1991)

NMT and DMT in leaf, 1.1-10.2 ppm (McSweeney et al. 2005)

Acacia auriculiformis

5-MeO-DMT in stem bark (Lycaeum)

Acacia baileyana

0.02% tryptamine and β-carbolines, in the leaf, Tetrahydroharman (Ott)

Acacia berlandieri

Amphetamine, Methamphetamine, N,N-Dimethylamphetamine, 4-Methoxyamphetamine, 4-Hydroxyamphetamine (Shulgin 2001)

DMT and others (Phytochem. 199Cool


Acacia catechu

DMT and other tryptamines in leaf, bark (Trout's Notes)

Acacia caven

Psychoactive

Acacia colei DMT (Dr. Karl and abc.net.au 2005)

Acacia constricta

β-methyl-phenethylamine[12]

Acacia complanata 0.3% alkaloids in leaf and stem, N-methyl-tetrahydroharman with traces of tetrahydroharman (Johns et al. 1966)

Acacia confusa

N-chloromethyl-N,N-dimethyltryptamine, N-methyltryptamine, N,N-dimethyltryptamine, and N,N-dimethyltryptamine-N-oxide (Quinn et al. 2006)

Acacia cornigera

Psychoactive,[8] Tryptamines[27]

Acacia cultriformis

Tryptamine in the leaf and stem (Trout's Notes)

Acacia farnesiana

Tryptamines and phenethylamines (Lyceaum)

N-Methyl-Beta-Phenethylamine (Duke 1992)

Acacia filiciana Psychoactive

Acacia floribunda Tryptamine, phenethylamine,[33] in flowers[15] other tryptamines,[34] phenethylamines

Acacia georginae Psychoactive,[8] plus deadly toxins

Acacia greggii

N-methyl-β-phenethylamine,[12] phenethylamine[36]

Acacia harpophylla Phenethylamine, hordenine at a ratio of 2:3 in dried leaves, 0.6% total[6]

Acacia holoserica Hordenine, 1.2% in bark[6]

Acacia horrida

Psychoactive

Acacia implexa

Psychoactive

Acacia karroo
Psychoactive

Acacia kempeana
Psychoactive

Acacia kettlewelliae
1.5[6]-1.88%[38] alkaloids, 92% consisting of phenylethylamine.[6] 0.9% N-methyl-2-
phenylethylamine found a different time

Acacia laeta DMT in the leaf (Trout's Notes)

Acacia lingulata
Psychoactive

Acacia longifolia

0.2% tryptamine in bark, leaves, some in flowers, phenylethylamine in flowers (Hegnauer 1994)

DMT in plant (Lyceaum)

Acacia macradenia
Tryptamine

Acacia maidenii

Bark of A. maidenii contains 0.6% of N-methyltryptamine and DMT in the proportions approx. 2:3 (Fitzgerald & Sioumis 1965)

Acacia mangium

Psychoactive

Acacia melanoxylon

DMT in the bark and leaf, less than 0.02% total alkaloids (Hegnauer 1994)

Acacia mellifera

DMT in the leaf (Trout's Notes)

Acacia nilotica

DMT in the leaf (Trout's Notes)

Acacia obtusifolia 0.4 to 0.5 % DMT in the dried bark (Csiro 1990)

Acacia oerfota Less than 0.1% DMT in leaf (Ott)

Acacia penninervis
Psychoactive

Acacia phlebophylla

0.3% DMT in leaf, NMT (Trout's Notes)

Acacia platensis
Psychoactive

Acacia podalyriaefolia
Tryptamine in the leaf (Trout's Notes)

0.5% to 2% DMT in fresh bark, phenethylamine trace amounts (Hegnauer 1994)


Acacia polyacantha

DMT in leaf (Trout's Notes)

Acacia pycantha

Psychoactive,[8] but less than 0.02% total alkaloids

Acacia retinodes

DMT and MMT (www.factorey.ch/Eins.htm)

less than 0.02% total alkaloids found (Hegnauer 1994)

Acacia roemeriana
β-methyl-phenethylamine

Acacia rigidula DMT, NMT, tryptamine, amphetamines, mescaline, nicotine and others (Phytochem. 199Cool

Acacia salicina

Psychoactive[8][9] Ash used in Pituri.

Acacia sassa
Psychoactive

Acacia schaffneri

β-methyl-phenethylamine, Phenethylamine[36] Amphetamines and mescaline also found

Acacia schottii
β-methyl-phenethylamine

Acacia senegal
DMT, in the leaf

Acacia simplex

DMT and NMT, in the leaf, stem and trunk bark, 0.81% DMT in bark, MMT

Acacia taxensis
β-methyl-phenethylamine

Acacia tenuifolia
Psychoactive

Acacia tortilis

DMT, NMT, and other tryptamines

Acacia sieberiana DMT in the leaf (Trout's Notes)

Acacia verek Psychoactive (Rätsch 2004)

Acacia vestita Tryptamine, in the leaf and stem (Trout's Notes)

less than 0.02% total alkaloids (Hegnauer 1994)


Anadenanthera colubrina

seed pods contain dimethyltryptamine and the seeds bufotenin, bufotenin oxide, and oxide of dimethyltryptamine (GRANIER-DOYEUX 1965)

Leaves, Bark, and Seeds contain DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and related compounds (Schultes 1977)


Anadenanthera peregrina seed pods contain dimethyltryptamine and the seeds bufotenin, bufotenin oxide, and oxide of dimethyltryptamine (GRANIER-DOYEUX 1965)

Leaves, Bark, and Seeds contain DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and related compounds (Schultes 1977)


Anadenanthera macrocarpa seed pods contain dimethyltryptamine and the seeds bufotenin, bufotenin oxide, and oxide of dimethyltryptamine (GRANIER-DOYEUX 1965)

Desmodium caudatum Roots: 0.087% DMT, Bufotenine-N-oxide 0.03% (Trout's Notes)

Desmodium gangeticum DMT, 5-MEO-DMT, whole plant, roots, stems, leaves (Ott)

Desmodium gyrans DMT, 5-MEO-DMT, leaves, roots (Ott)

Desmodium pulchellum DMT, 5-MEO-DMT, whole plant, roots, stems, leaves, flowers (Ott)

Desmodium racemosum 5-MEO-DMT (Ott)

Desmodium triflorum

DMT-N-oxide, roots (Ott)

Lespedeza bicolor var. japonica DMT, 5-MEO-DMT in leaves and root bark (Ott)

mimosahostilis

Root Bark contains DMT - 0.31% to 0.57% (Schultes 1977)

Mimosa scabrella DMT in bark (Ott)

Mimosa verrucosa DMT (Schultes 1969)

Mucuna pruriens leaves, seeds, stems and roots contain L-Dopa, Serotonin, 5-HTP, and Nicotine, as well as N,N-DMT, Bufotenine, and 5-MeO-DMT (Erowid)

Petalostylis labicheoides var. casseoides DMT in leaves and stems (Ott)

Diplopterys cabrerana

1.3% DMT (Shulgin, TIHKAL)

Contains DMT (Ott)


Horsfieldia superba 5-MeO-DMT and beta-carbolines (Jossang et al. 1991)

Iryanthera ulei

5-MEO-DMT in bark (Ott)

Osteophloem platyspermum DMT, 5-MEO-DMT in bark (Ott)

Virola calophylla

Leaves 0.149% DMT (Ott)

Virola carinata DMT in leaves (Ott)

Virola divergens DMT in leaves (Ott)

Virola elongata DMT, 5-MEO-DMT in bark and leaves (Ott)

Virola melinonii DMT in bark (Ott)

Virola multinervia DMT, 5-MEO-DMT in bark and leaves (Ott)

Virola pavonis DMT in leaves (Ott)

Virola peruviana DMT, 5-MEO-DMT in bark (Ott)

Virola rufuta Alkaloids in bark and root, 95% of which is 5-MeO-DMT (Shulgin, TIHKAL)

Virola sebifera DMT in bark (Ott)

Virola theiodora DMT, 5-MEO-DMT in bark, roots, leaves and flowers (Ott)

Virola venosa DMT, 5-MEO-DMT in roots and leaves (Ott)

Psychotria carthaginensis

0.2% average DMT in dried leaves (Ott)

Psychotria viridis

Leaves contain DMT - 0.10% to 0.66% (McKenna)

Edited:02-04-2008

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The Dream Walker
#2 Posted : 2/27/2008 8:58:58 PM
WOW! Thank you for taking the time to put all of this together! Now I know exactly what's going to be in my garden Cool
 
theoneandonlyfat
#3 Posted : 2/28/2008 1:44:59 AM
"Acacia acuminata Up to 1.5% alkaloids, mainly consisting of tryptamine in leaf (Lycaeum)

Acacia podalyriaefolia Tryptamine in the leaf (Trout's Notes)

0.5% to 2% DMT in fresh bark, phenethylamine trace amounts (Hegnauer 1994)"

So why are all us aussies using obtus instead of these 2 which have a much higher dmt content?

also if MHRB contain upto .57% dmt how come everyone is getting yeilds of 1% or more???



 
Harry
#4 Posted : 3/7/2008 1:26:53 PM
theoneandonlyfat wrote:
"Acacia acuminata Up to 1.5% alkaloids, mainly consisting of tryptamine in leaf (Lycaeum)

Acacia podalyriaefolia Tryptamine in the leaf (Trout's Notes)

0.5% to 2% DMT in fresh bark, phenethylamine trace amounts (Hegnauer 1994)"

So why are all us aussies using obtus instead of these 2 which have a much higher dmt content?

also if MHRB contain upto .57% dmt how come everyone is getting yeilds of 1% or more???





As far as I know acuminata is being used by us aussies, especially if you live in Perth for example Smile. Mainly consists of DMT as well rather than tryp. As far as podalyriaefolia is concerned, I've got a feeling thats not accurate. Bad translation maybe Wut? . There is heaps of the stuff growing wild around where I live and I would like to do some testing but don't have the time or the space or the privacy... or the time. One day maybe.
 
Dee Em Tea
#5 Posted : 4/2/2008 12:50:40 PM
So I've added a view more species, and pics today.Very happy
Later I'll contineu in the search for DMT. containing plants, and keep posting them.
Hope you guy's like it.Wink

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Big Inhale
#6 Posted : 4/2/2008 4:25:21 PM
www.plants.usda.gov/ hope this helps also just type the species and see whats in your area
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D_Juggz
#7 Posted : 6/5/2008 11:09:46 AM
Harry wrote:
theoneandonlyfat wrote:
"Acacia acuminata Up to 1.5% alkaloids, mainly consisting of tryptamine in leaf (Lycaeum)

Acacia podalyriaefolia Tryptamine in the leaf (Trout's Notes)

0.5% to 2% DMT in fresh bark, phenethylamine trace amounts (Hegnauer 1994)"

So why are all us aussies using obtus instead of these 2 which have a much higher dmt content?

also if MHRB contain upto .57% dmt how come everyone is getting yeilds of 1% or more???





As far as I know acuminata is being used by us aussies, especially if you live in Perth for example Smile. Mainly consists of DMT as well rather than tryp. As far as podalyriaefolia is concerned, I've got a feeling thats not accurate. Bad translation maybe Wut? . There is heaps of the stuff growing wild around where I live and I would like to do some testing but don't have the time or the space or the privacy... or the time. One day maybe.


Is there anyone who knows where to find a bit of plant material in QLD...SWIM just planted an acuminata, but he just realised how LOOONG it will take to grow into a decent sized plant.Shocked Sad wouldn't mind knowing of some good people/places to scavenge.
Also, is there a good way to determine between other QLD acacia trees?
Stop Swim is even willing to trade DMT for good acuminata plant matter.
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#8 Posted : 6/5/2008 5:20:27 PM
very nice post indeed.

I've seen several of those trees and grasses back home in Texas.

as for getting a live plant, the only one that seems worth the time and effort is Diplopterys cabrerana
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D_Juggz
#9 Posted : 6/20/2008 4:36:19 AM
Has anyone used the species Acacia spirorbis subsp. solandri?
It looks almost exactly the same as Acacia Maidenii, but is found more north on the east coast of aus?
Its the only species SWIM can ID out here so far and SWIM might try it anyways and see what come of it.
*fingers crossed*

EDIT:

SUCCESS (sort of): SWIM definatley found DMT or Tryptamine alkaloids in the bark of Acacia spirorbis. It was a very rough extraction with only 1-2 pulls at the extraction, and the bark wasn't properly pulverized. SWIM doesn't have the privacy today to try it again properly. But His spirits are high, even though he only got less than a gram after 14 hours of blood sweat and tears with 2kg of plant bark.

Will post in the extraction forum for hints on how to streamline SWIMs technique, when SWIM get a propper yield we can add it into the plant list. Very happy
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#10 Posted : 1/10/2010 4:26:30 PM
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Dorje
#11 Posted : 1/25/2010 11:25:16 PM
The Chinese black Date is a medicinal berry utilized in treating the spleen, kidneys, and most esoterically, the Qi. Zyzyphus jujube, "Hei Zao-Mandarin Chinese," or black dates, contain a significant amount of DMT. As of date this half inch sized black berry has not been extenively researched, and is open territory. Hei Zao, lit. Black-Date, are purchased at the local Chinese market for roughly $2USB for 8-9oz, dried, and with trace amounts of sulfer, and/or pesticides. Casual uses for this berry include lotus-root soup, or simply washing and eating as is.

To talk candidly; go to the local CHINESE market and pick up a pack, you can simply wash, and eat the berries, or pull them through the rigorous gauntlet of stb/ab/extractions/spice-extractions and so forth and you will be pleasantly surprised. If one is to be so bold in saying that these medicinal berries are a potent resource for cost-effective DMT, it can change up the whole DMT vendor market, and i dare say this is that berry!

To say the least...these berries contain so much DMT that you will trip after 9 or so berries, 20-40 if want, and the plant matter is thick, tasteful, and grounding. The trip is mostly glow, with clear translucent visuals.

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#12 Posted : 1/25/2010 11:29:05 PM
Dorje wrote:
The Chinese black Date is a medicinal berry utilized in treating the spleen, kidneys, and most esoterically, the Qi. Zyzyphus jujube, "Hei Zao-Mandarin Chinese," or black dates, contain a significant amount of DMT. As of date this half inch sized black berry has not been extenively researched, and is open territory. Hei Zao, lit. Black-Date, are purchased at the local Chinese market for roughly $2USB for 8-9oz, dried, and with trace amounts of sulfer, and/or pesticides. Casual uses for this berry include lotus-root soup, or simply washing and eating as is.

To talk candidly; go to the local CHINESE market and pick up a pack, you can simply wash, and eat the berries, or pull them through the rigorous gauntlet of stb/ab/extractions/spice-extractions and so forth and you will be pleasantly surprised. If one is to be so bold in saying that these medicinal berries are a potent resource for cost-effective DMT, it can change up the whole DMT vendor market, and i dare say this is that berry!

To say the least...these berries contain so much DMT that you will trip after 9 or so berries, 20-40 if want, and the plant matter is thick, tasteful, and grounding. The trip is mostly glow, with clear translucent visuals.



Fascinating. I look forward to seeing what the rest of the community thinks about this!
 
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#13 Posted : 1/25/2010 11:41:50 PM
Dorje wrote:
The Chinese black Date is a medicinal berry utilized in treating the spleen, kidneys, and most esoterically, the Qi. Zyzyphus jujube, "Hei Zao-Mandarin Chinese," or black dates, contain a significant amount of DMT. As of date this half inch sized black berry has not been extenively researched, and is open territory. Hei Zao, lit. Black-Date, are purchased at the local Chinese market for roughly $2USB for 8-9oz, dried, and with trace amounts of sulfer, and/or pesticides. Casual uses for this berry include lotus-root soup, or simply washing and eating as is.

To talk candidly; go to the local CHINESE market and pick up a pack, you can simply wash, and eat the berries, or pull them through the rigorous gauntlet of stb/ab/extractions/spice-extractions and so forth and you will be pleasantly surprised. If one is to be so bold in saying that these medicinal berries are a potent resource for cost-effective DMT, it can change up the whole DMT vendor market, and i dare say this is that berry!

To say the least...these berries contain so much DMT that you will trip after 9 or so berries, 20-40 if want, and the plant matter is thick, tasteful, and grounding. The trip is mostly glow, with clear translucent visuals.


Reference please. I doubt them as a source of dmt but please prove me wrong.

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polytrip
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#14 Posted : 1/27/2010 4:25:40 PM
Do we know wich of all the plants are (relatively)safe to consume? Some are said to contain deadly toxins, but there could be some toxic ones of wich further toxicity is not mentioned.

I would love to experiment with other plants, but i'm wary of all those more exotic plants you hardly ever hear about.

It would be cool if every plant if every individual plant of wich a nexian can confirm it's safety could receive some sort of 'aproval' mark.
 
amor_fati
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#15 Posted : 1/27/2010 4:32:38 PM
 
Ident
#16 Posted : 1/28/2010 12:14:18 PM
I can't find ANYTHING on those black dates previously mentioned! It just doesn't seem plausible that a fruit would contain any significant concentration of DMT and the person who posted it claims that psychoativity occurs with oral consumption but makes no mention of an MAOI. With my very limited knowledge of DMT I can suggest the following.....

1 - The Hopelessly Optimistic Approach - These fruits contain a significant concentration of DMT and also an MAOI which would make them some sort of aya-fruit! That would be amazing!!

2 - The Rational Approach - There is no evidence anywhere online of these fruits having any psychoactive potential other than a link back to the original posting. Bear in mind that I don't have access to scientific journals or papers like other may have so I stand to be corrected if research and evidence can be provided.

3 - The Person Posting Is Wrong - Common sense suggests that it's highly unlikely that a fruit which has been available for centuries and never documented as having anything other than medicinal uses would be a candidate for containing DMT. Surely someone, somewhere would have reported effects before 2009? The lack of evidence and the nature of the persons claims suggest that he/she is wrong about this one. The suggestion of "clear, translucent visuals" doesn't make a whole lot of sense either if you ask me.

It'd be great if this fruit was proven to be of use as an entheogen and I'd love to hear what the more learned members of the site think about this. As it stands, I'm unconvinced but would love to be proven wrong.

By the way, the original poster of this thread deserves some hefty thanks for their efforts!
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Infundibulum
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#17 Posted : 1/28/2010 12:56:24 PM
I PMed Dorje to post more information but he didn't really do it. This is both sad and suspicious.

He PMed me however back on this issue, of course I am not going to post his messages since I haven't asked for his permission for doing so. He told me that he thinks they are mentioned in "The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" by Christian Raetsch.

When asked about specifics the user said that he ate these black dates and "tripped" (whatever that means).

Dorje, since the subject generates some interest here, would you please be kind to post details and specifics of this subject? This is the right thing to do!

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#18 Posted : 1/28/2010 1:19:07 PM
plant was looked for in the encyclopedia and wasnt found...perhaps missed it or something but so far no luck
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Dorje
#19 Posted : 1/28/2010 2:27:01 PM
just consider *this* post as a press release if you will...

These ziziphus jujube do indeed contain DMT, the trip is a sharp blast into psychedellica after eating about 5-8 dates. The gums/upper palette get numb and the tongue slightly less. The visuals are visuals of clarity without the lack of motor function or cognizant reason, and a transparent light slightly distorting the eye's natural sight. The more intense visuals are experienced when more ziziphus jujube dates are eaten.

These dates have been used in mainland china and all other parts of Indo-chinese asia for centuries, and people do *indeed* report the effects, and this is considered to be a valuable medicinal supplement. Go ahead and look it up...you'll find it associated with Qi, and the whole bit of niche healing arts...The quote of bulk end dates are freeze dried and are intended for soup...not the kind you will find in ...let's say the acupuncturist office...or the chinese herbal supplement store.

Take into consideration that the Chinese never had Proff. Tim leary, Ramm Dasss, or "DMT the spirit molecule (and subsequent clinical research with industry standard pharmaceutical grade DMT)." China never had a 1960's-1970's "American psychedellica" culture. I welcome all of the criticism as this is the first Chinese plant on this thread. the very first. so i leave you all at that, and will to the Chinese these Hei zao, aka Ziziphus Jujube, are not categorized into what we think of as psychedelics...

I am not making a discovery, I am just simply bridging a culture gap into a country that has a radically different thinking of psychedelics than our own.
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Infundibulum
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#20 Posted : 1/28/2010 2:46:56 PM
I still find it hard to believe. There seems to be that these black dates are consumed for a fair amount of time in asian countries. "Tripping" is not something one can be easily overlook. Besides, if they had the ability to make you trip, then they'd have a sacred status (just more-or-less like anything that feels "entheogenic" ). The black dates are instead a food-nutritional supplement.

There are also quite a few studies on the black dates and their extracts in humans, it is impossible not to notice that the people to whom you administer the dates trip or whatever.

I am more likely to believe that the dates do have some bioactivity. This bioactivity is unlikely to be something "trippy". In addition, alkaloids from black dates have also been characterised. None of them is dmt.

Simply saying that they contain dmt is a far-fetched, unproven statement and it sounds like pure misinformation. Otherwise you are sensitive to them in a way other people are not sensitive.

Dorje wrote:
These dates have been used in mainland china and all other parts of Indo-chinese asia for centuries, and people do *indeed* report the effects...

Link please. You make the case so make it a strong one.

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