Hi,
SWIM has been doing a lot of research on extracting DMT from MHRB.
He has 2 lbs of pre-powdered MHRB at home.
He is looking for the extraction TEK that will be most "fool-proof." He thinks he has found them and would like opinions.

This is his first experience with DMT and does not have the experience to decide whether he would like freebase DMT or salts - Do the nexus members have thoughts on this? Does he want to pull the jungle spice too? My friend's understanding is that the salts can be mixed with an MAOI for ayahusca etc. where the freebase should be smoked/vaped - BOTH of these sound interesting to him. He is thinking of making both.

He is thinking of doing one of the following.

Scenario A:
1) Noman's Tek (w/ Xylene) -> FASA Precipation
2) Noman's Tek (w/ Xylene) -> FASA Precipitation -> Convert to freebase

Scenario B:
1) Noman's Tek (w/ Xylene) -> FASA Precipation
2) Noman's Tek (w/ Naptha) -> Freeze Precipitation

He has 2lbs and was thinking about doing 5 seperate jugs of Noman's Tek, with 3 eventually being used for freebase DMT and 2 to fumerate salts.

1) Is making both freebase DMT and DMT salts a good plan? He is interested in both but he has no experience with DMT to influence this opinion.
2) He is thinking of getting 3/5 of his MHRB in freebase form and 2/5 in salt. Does this sound like a good plan?
3) If he uses freeze precipitation, should he wash his DMT at the end with ammonia or wash the solvent with sodium carbonate?
4) Would scenario A or B be recommended for a novice?
5) Should he wash his xylene/naptha with sodium carbonate? Or wait until the end and wash the DMT with ammonia?

I have tried my best to do the research, but I think most of these questions can only be answered with experience (which i have none). I appreciate any and all opinions.
Thanks!

EDIT: Oops. I just realized I probably posted this in the wrong section. Terribly sorry.

Hi,

no problem posting in the "wrong" place, I moved your topic in the "right" place!

Now, re to your questions, it all depends to what SWIY really wants. For all purposes however having everything in freebase is more convenient; freebase can be smoked and freebase can be salted in some orange juice/lemon juice, coke etc if one goes oral.

Fumarates are fine for snorting/IV, IM and they are reported to have a longer shelf life, the latter being mostly anecdotal rumour; SWIM stores all in freebase anyway.

What SWIY may not need is the to do a naphtha thing. Naphtha is only necessary if one wants to get pure spice out of an alkaloidal mix, like the one that xylene pulls.

Maybe SWIY could try scenario A, then only convert half of the fumarates to freebase!

Hope that helps,

What I usually do is do as many pulls with the naphtha until it stops yielding. You can freeze precip this.

Then once the naphtha pulls no more switch to xylene and salt that out with FASA. Using this method I usually end up with the same amount of fumerate as I have freebase.

DON'T USE AMMONIA TO WASH. It will not be necassary at all with the fumerate of course, but more often than not the freebase should come out clean enough the first time, bu if you want it a little cleaner, you should look into recrytalizing it.

Two more questions.
Vovin's Tek recommends a 15:1:1 ratio of water to NaOH/Bark. This results in about a 6.2% solution of NaOH to Water (By weight). Since my friend is using prepowdered, he was going to go with a 25:1:1 ratio. This puts it at about a 4.2% solution.

He understands that the pH scale runs logarithmically, and as such he won't need to straight up double his NaOH or anything. By his calculations, the pH should theoretically stay at 14 with my ratios. Obviously these were calculations done on paper and are subject to problems.

1) What are your thoughts on this? Will the pH be high enough with a 25:1 ratio of mL water to g NaOH?
He am doing this because he will have exhausted my NaOH supply. He also read anecdotal reports of reduction of the NaOH used and it is giving him hope.

2) What type of vessel do you recommend for freeze precipitating? He sees jars are common, but it seems like it would be an immense pain in the ass to scrape up all the crystals? A pyrex pan seems like a possible alternative - but you run the risk of water contamination if its not sealed - Will a lot of seran wrap do the trick?

Thanks again.

Re: 2)
SWIM FP's in a jar, then heats up more solvent and picks up anything left in the jar and evaporates it in a pyrex pan; she's been very happy with the process so far.

Alright so he managed to obtain more lye today at a true value! Excellent!

Does anyone have any input on how much lye to use?

He will have 120g of Rootbark, 3000mL of water, and at least 125g of Lye. Would 150 or more be better?

He wishes I had some way to determine the pH...

@ragabr - That seems like an excellent way to do it. Thanks alot!

dont worry about pH, you dont need to be exact... Seems like you have enough lye.. adding some more wouldnt hurt, but probably isnt necessary. I imagine your mimosa soup is black, yes? Just keep going, and the only thing that might happen is an emulsion when you mix the naphtha (dont shake!), but that can be broken up by adding more lye, adding pure salt, and/or a warm water bath...

Thanks a lot endlessness!
My friend is looking forward to his first experience.